Innovation - not jobs??

[R 105]

Economic power is shifting away from the USA, this is intentional..
China is the new favored superpower by the elite.. They have a totalitarian
society, slave labor, eugenics programs, organ harvesting.. All those Statist
wetdreams are reality in China, that is why the big money is moving there..

America is to be DEindustrialized, eliminated as a sovereign nation.. Folded into
the "North American Union".. The US constitution is being gutted right now..
This is why these new crippling restrictions are being placed on the US economy..
While the favored "International Corporations" are being exempted from them..

This why the rights of US Citizenship are being intentionally eroded.. Our borders
left wide open, and foreigners being given benefits that our own citizens cannot..

America is being intentionally hamstrung, and kicked in the gonads..
Step by step, this plan is being carried out.. Elections mean nothing anymore..
Just a Kabuki show for the weak minded, or self deluded.. R's and D's are just
two sides of a wooden nickel.. The same bureaucrats, that are appointed not
elected, are the ones with the real power.. They all come from the same pool,
no matter which political party is in power.. And the owned presstitute media
provide cover and make excuses and diversions to keep the herd distracted..

There are SO MANY clear indications of this, right in front of us..
People know subconsciously that this is happening, they can FEEL IT..
But many just refuse to look at "the elephant", pretending it doesn't exist..
And some, have sold themselves to it, hoping to gain an advantage over
others, during and after this intentional collapse.. Traitors!

This progomme was clearly laid out a generation ago.. People said it was crazy..
Now we see the results! BUT, people continue to say this is "Stupidity" or "ineptitude"
on behalf of our elected "leaders".. LOL, yeah sure.. These activities are too concerted
orchestrated, well timed, to be ineptitude.. If you can't see that, the stupidity is YOUR OWN!

   Trap is almost closed! 

 It is nice to see an educated comment. You are correct on all points. As a teen in the 60s I asked my Dad what the difference between the Democrats and the republicans are. My Dad said they are both taking us to the same place the difference is the Democrats are taking us there in a speeding train and the Republicans are taking us in a covered wagon. I am a constitutional conservative and I agree with my old man. 

[gpwurzel]

hell I didn't know you were in 29 Palms......do you know a Mark and Pam Fields...he is a fire fighter...or was...he is my Uncle.....they have been there for many years now.


(hijack over)

Hey Ink, I might know them, i have a terrible memory for people and names tho. Small world huh, talk about 6 degree's of separation.

Looks like you'll have to visit brother - 

Wurz

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Hey Ink, I might know them, i have a terrible memory for people and names tho. Small world huh, talk about 6 degree's of separation.

Looks like you'll have to visit brother -  

Wurz

ya small world for sure.....they have lived there for 20 plus years.....he rides a Harley but more like a weekend Biker...definitely not the outlaw biker....

wish I had a pic of him..

edit
grabed one from his FB


I have wanted to get out there.... almost did when I took the road trip years but never made it that far.

I have seen pics of his place and the area....... it is beautiful.

[gpwurzel]

Yep, it has a certain harsh beauty out here - if ya ever visit, strongly suggest its not in July, August or September - as thats when its the warmest. October is generally really nice tho - warm, but not too warm, no humidity, beautiful evenings.

Lemme know if your coming over.

Dont recognise the face, but thats not too much of a surprise,

Wurz

[GScholz]

Why should a larger pool of workers drive prices down like economics dictates, yet a larger pool of CEO material drive executive's prices up?
Shouldn't be stockholders (the owners of the company) cash in the alleged higher profits?

They do. After all it is the shareholders who hire the board of directors and top officers of their company. There is a distinct difference between how the system works for a lower-rank employee and a top level executive. Just by hiring a known successful executive you can open doors that would otherwise be shut for your company; It's a cutthroat environment were you put your reputation and future career on the line by taking a job.

If a famous successful top level executive lends his name to your company by, for example, accepting a position on the board of directors, that says to the business world that the famous executive believes in your company, to the extent that he is willing to stake his reputation, and thereby his future, on it. That opens doors to investments, banks, other successful businesses etc. It's very much like how Hollywood works where having a famous actor on board opens doors to actually getting the film financed and produced. That famous actor stakes his reputation on that film, and having been successful in the past means a lot.

Having good successful company officers is an investment in the future that can make or break a company; thus it's a highly competitive job market where companies are willing to pay more and more for the top people. However a welder is a welder is a welder, and no matter how good he is he's not going to open doors for your company. Workers compete against each other for available jobs. Companies compete against each other for available successful top level officers. The wages reflect this fact.

[Ardy123]

Do you want America to remain being a super power?

Then get off your rear, get a 'fn education in something valuable and quit whining... otherwise you are part of the problem, not the solution and should look no farther than yourself for the decline.  


We as a nation have some of the lowest percentage of collage grads in any first world country, and we wonder why we have high unemployment  

I tried to hire engineers (many), and struggled to find many..... ... and I pay nice 6 figure salaries...
Most people I have found are on visas.... why?  because they study... you whine

So quit being a loser.... and take responsibility....

[GScholz]

Thats not quite how it works... supply of workers drives their pay, not their productivity. recession == large supply == stagnant wages.

I though that was what I was saying. Sorry for the confusion.

[SEraider]

So nobody has any thoughts on the digital age stuff that the video presented?

[GScholz]

Actually I've been discussing a similar theme with my friends for some time. There's going to be a huge economic revolution when robots and AI's become our new workforce/slaves. There won't be work for everyone, at least not work as we perceive it today. Personally I see a future where most people work with what they want; be it science, art, entertainment or whatever, because all out needs are met by technology doing the work for us. Kind of an Roddenberryan future. Will probably be some hard times before that though as nothing world-changing ever happens painlessly.

[RTHolmes]

long-run I dont think it will make much difference. its not like innovation is a recent thing - we've been doing it since we stared using tools and walking upright. we can only guess what effects the invention of the plough, or iron working had because there isnt much data. however the start of the industrial revolution is well worth looking at because there is loads of data. iirc the long-term unemployment rate hasnt changed significantly in the last 250yrs, except for the usual fluctuations caused by business cycles, wars, and radical tech breakthroughs. short-term there can be big effects, long-term almost none.

something that has increased continually in the last 250yrs is quality of life for even the poorest members of society. measure it how you want - infant mortality, calories/day, life expectancy, wages, political rights etc etc - life is easier than it used to be and continues to improve, although at a decreasing rate due to the decreasing resources per capita.

[SEraider]

Actually I've been discussing a similar theme with my friends for some time. There's going to be a huge economic revolution when robots and AI's become our new workforce/slaves. There won't be work for everyone, at least not work as we perceive it today. Personally I see a future where most people work with what they want; be it science, art, entertainment or whatever, because all out needs are met by technology doing the work for us. Kind of an Roddenberryan future. Will probably be some hard times before that though as nothing world-changing ever happens painlessly.

long-run I dont think it will make much difference. its not like innovation is a recent thing - we've been doing it since we stared using tools and walking upright. we can only guess what effects the invention of the plough, or iron working had because there isnt much data. however the start of the industrial revolution is well worth looking at because there is loads of data. iirc the long-term unemployment rate hasnt changed significantly in the last 250yrs, except for the usual fluctuations caused by business cycles, wars, and radical tech breakthroughs. short-term there can be big effects, long-term almost none.

something that has increased continually in the last 250yrs is quality of life for even the poorest members of society. measure it how you want - infant mortality, calories/day, life expectancy, wages, political rights etc etc - life is easier than it used to be and continues to improve, although at a decreasing rate due to the decreasing resources per capita.

Both excellent points. I can not say I agree or dissagree with this video.  I did not have time to digest what this could truley mean for everybody.  But it does beg the question and radical thought process of how as GShcolz says; "at least not work as we perceive it today."

[CAP1]

So nobody has any thoughts on the digital age stuff that the video presented?

 MY THOUGHTS ON THE VIDEO.....

as far as replacing workforce with robots, that is an opportunity. someone has to build them. someone has to maintain them. i view this as more of a "shift" in skilled labor, rather than an elimination of it.
 jobs such as mine, the guy doing apt. complex maintenance, line workers(the guys that get to go up on telephone poles in storms) can never be replaced by robots. cooks, wait staff, limo taxi, and bus drivers....none can be replaced by robots. and for the record, i'd read somewhere that skilled auto mechanics, techs, and diagnosticians are running short. that's a good field to get into right about now.

 just my thoughts.......

[Ardy123]

Both excellent points. I can not say I agree or dissagree with this video.  I did not have time to digest what this could truley mean for everybody.  But it does beg the question and radical thought process of how as GShcolz says; "at least not work as we perceive it today."

Creativity and the ability to make associations out of non-obvious relationships are problems we have not been able to solve, ie we don't understand how we do it. As such, we have not successfully implemented it. Now as for the video, until we reach a point where the things we create are able to create, it is a non starter. People have been predicting the undoing of man due to technology since first invented the wheel, and probably before. Yet, as others have pointed out, technology has made our lives significantly better than they once were. Are you an optimist or are you a pessimist? that is the question at stake here fundamentally.

[coombz]

I am always surprised by how many people can not understand how the capitalist system works. It is why America became the greatest nation in the history of the world and why we are the richest population with the highest standard of living ever. We only started to fade once we as a nation moved away from what got us here to start with. I am old enough to remember how the country was before the non producers discovered they could vote themselves a living from the national treasury. Once the United States has been destroyed where are you going to go to find this life we have here in this great country?  We are all the stands between you and a new dark age.

  brilliant

They really do brainwash you in the states eh?

btw you dont have anywhere near the highest standard of living, no US cities are even in the top 10

[SEraider]

Will Bunnies die? That is the question at stake here fundamentally.[/i]

Corrected. 

I am sooooo sorry Ardy, I could not resist!!! 

As for human development, we should be optimistic right?  We have to make way for progress and make the best of it.  Change is part of life.