Connection woes.....

[Wizer]

HI Skuzzy. thanks for the response.  I did notice that my host queue had cleared up considerably.  I am now reflecting a  very small sawtooth straight line during the hours between 7:00 a.m to 11:00 a.m. (mostly when I am on-line).  I did not appear to have any lag during this period of time.

[pervert]

You need to address BT about the packet loss within the BT network.  Not much I can do there and until it is cleared up it makes the rest of the ping plot meaningless as packet loss always impacts anything after it happens.

You can say that skuzzy but my connection was a lot better before the switch, why did we have to have the switch? it yo yos between being decent to being virtually unplayable? Tonight again its horrible cannot shoot anything. Planes going back and forward, mini warps, planes warping 4-5 k?

[Skuzzy]

You can say that skuzzy but my connection was a lot better before the switch, why did we have to have the switch? it yo yos between being decent to being virtually unplayable? Tonight again its horrible cannot shoot anything. Planes going back and forward, mini warps, planes warping 4-5 k?

It is not a permanent, yet.  We are simply testing the possibility.  We are always looking for better connectivity.  I need Ping plots, when it is bad so I can see what you are seeing.

Do you test the connections between the other arenas?  They are still at the old location.  There are a number of things causing severe Internet congesti9n, in general, right now.

When you see any problem, it would helpful to see Ping Plots to both the new and old server locations. The problem may not have anything to do with the test ISP.

New: 66.151.248.2
Old: 206.16.60.38

[bmwgs]

Do you want these PingPlots run while in game, or just at different times of the day?

Fred

[Skuzzy]

It really would be helpful if they are run at the moment the problems are happening.  Shut the game down to run them.

[Skuzzy]

You can say that skuzzy but my connection was a lot better before the switch, why did we have to have the switch? it yo yos between being decent to being virtually unplayable? Tonight again its horrible cannot shoot anything. Planes going back and forward, mini warps, planes warping 4-5 k?

I hate to tell you this, but the routes to you from either location is the same.  If the traces from your location are the same for both, then, logically, it should not make any difference where the server is.  Here are the traces back you.

From the new server:

 1  66.151.248.1 (66.151.248.1)  0.831 ms  0.270 ms  0.256 ms
 2  core2.pc1-bbnet1.ext1a.dal.pnap.net (216.52.191.40)  1.314 ms core2.pc2-bbnet2.ext1a.dal.pnap.net (216.52.191.105)  0.933 ms  1.486 ms
 3  12.90.228.13 (12.90.228.13)  1.449 ms  2.462 ms  1.815 ms
 4  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.138.114)  3.605 ms  1.830 ms cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.123.18.30)  4.479 ms
 5  gar25.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.85.233)  2.215 ms gar27.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.123.16.77)  2.116 ms  2.061 ms
 6  192.205.34.146 (192.205.34.146)  1.585 ms  2.975 ms  1.672 ms
 7  bt-group-plc.tengigabitethernet3-3.ar7.lon3.gblx.net (64.215.25.2)  113.698 ms  113.503 ms  113.502 ms
 8  166-49-168-18.eu.bt.net (166.49.168.18)  113.921 ms  115.086 ms  114.187 ms
 9  core1-te0-1-5-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (62.6.200.178)  117.769 ms  118.631 ms  117.256 ms
10  acc1-10GigE-4-1-0.mr.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.250.41)  120.075 ms  120.552 ms  121.070 ms
11  109.159.250.101 (109.159.250.101)  119.946 ms 109.159.250.103 (109.159.250.103)  120.998 ms 109.159.250.111 (109.159.250.111)  120.678 ms
12  31.55.165.106 (31.55.165.106)  119.135 ms  119.578 ms  119.050 ms
13  31.55.165.62 (31.55.165.62)  119.486 ms  120.758 ms  119.962 ms
14  213.120.163.89 (213.120.163.89)  126.791 ms 213.120.163.17 (213.120.163.17)  128.436 ms 212.140.206.137 (212.140.206.137)  127.724 ms


From the old server:
 1  206.16.60.46 (206.16.60.46)  0.337 ms  0.253 ms  0.253 ms
 2  mdf001c7613r0002-gig-10-2.dal1.attens.net (63.241.193.17)  123.913 ms  0.637 ms  0.319 ms
 3  12.122.251.61 (12.122.251.61)  1.032 ms 12.122.251.57 (12.122.251.57)  1.013 ms 12.122.251.61 (12.122.251.61)  1.011 ms
 4  cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.138.190)  3.675 ms  2.969 ms cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.85.70)  22.341 ms
 5  gar27.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.123.16.77)  1.719 ms gar25.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.122.85.233)  1.595 ms gar27.dlstx.ip.att.net (12.123.16.77)  1.400 ms
 6  192.205.34.142 (192.205.34.142)  1.595 ms  50.100 ms  2.876 ms
 7  bt-group-plc.tengigabitethernet7-4.ar7.lon3.gblx.net (64.215.25.218)  106.022 ms  105.920 ms  105.761 ms
 8  166-49-168-10.eu.bt.net (166.49.168.10)  106.146 ms  106.121 ms  106.418 ms
 9  core1-te0-1-5-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (62.6.200.178)  112.502 ms  187.587 ms  111.397 ms
10  acc1-10GigE-10-0-0.mr.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.250.8)  113.223 ms  119.160 ms  113.234 ms
11  109.159.250.65 (109.159.250.65)  113.617 ms  113.731 ms  113.758 ms
12  31.55.165.106 (31.55.165.106)  113.813 ms  113.802 ms  113.756 ms
13  31.55.165.62 (31.55.165.62)  114.076 ms  113.605 ms  113.954 ms
14  212.140.206.201 (212.140.206.201)  121.547 ms 213.120.163.113 (213.120.163.113)  121.006 ms 213.120.163.89 (213.120.163.89)  124.218 ms

I will say this again and keep reminding everyone.  The Internet, here in the U.S. is a mess and will probably stay that way until after our elections are over.  Severe congestion is wreaking havoc at almost every network access point in the U.S.

By the way, the above routes were changed from the original routes as they really did not look that good.  The above route is better than the original to BT.

You will notice that hop#14 changes in both routes and the worse one is the trace from the old server.  That is BT's doing.

[pervert]

Well I hate to tell you it but thats the way it is since Friday, it does seem to get worse as the arena gets more populated or maybe I just notice it more frequently. It was ok the other night after you came in and announced that you had sorted something out? I will send you a film of the sort of warping I am getting if it helps.

Another thing if its my connection shouldnt the other guy see me warping? I pmed a lot of the guys I seen warping and they said I was fine...after I got shot by them lol

[Skuzzy]

Well I hate to tell you it but thats the way it is since Friday, it does seem to get worse as the arena gets more populated or maybe I just notice it more frequently. It was ok the other night after you came in and announced that you had sorted something out? I will send you a film of the sort of warping I am getting if it helps.

Another thing if its my connection shouldnt the other guy see me warping? I pmed a lot of the guys I seen warping and they said I was fine...after I got shot by them lol

Pervert, you do not have to take my word for anything.  Just run the plots, or go to the different arenas and see if it is any different.  In either case, plots from you (or anyone) would be helpful.

As to who is laggy and who is not.

If your connection is at issue, then you will see everyone (absolutely everyone) warp about the same amount.  If you are only seeing some people warping then it is usually the other guys connection.  That is a general rule of thumb.

Now, there are two parts to a connection.  The uplink (data from your computer to the server), and the downlink (data to your computer, from the server).  Those two paths are different routes over the Internet.  It is quite possible for one to be bad and the other good.  How this manifests is as follows:

1)  Good uplink, bad downlink
No one sees you warping, but you see everyone warping.

2)  Bad uplink, good downlink
You see no one warping, and everyone sees you warping.

Now that is if the warps are connection related.  Warps can be computer resource related as well.  If it happens on your computer you will usually see a frame rate fluctuation.  If your computer has enough overhead you may not see the fluctuation.  Example:  If your non-vsynced frame rate is 300FPS, your synced frame rate may never deviate from 60FPS, but your computer may still be fluctuating between 60 and 300, which indicates some type of resource issue is at play.

[LCADolby]

I'm not too keen on this new server, my ping has gone from a stable 149 to an unpredicatble 149-166.

[LCADolby]

The LW's ping bounces to a higher ping more often than the other servers. The packet loss remains the same.


EDIT oops double post

[Skuzzy]

I'm not too keen on this new server, my ping has gone from a stable 149 to an unpredicatble 149-166.

You guys need to show me some Ping Plots and let me know you are having issues.  We are testing this ISP and if all goes well we just might switch to it.  If I get no information about problems, then we could make a bad decision.

Dolby, I am reporting your issues to the test ISP.

[Skuzzy]

Routes to England are still changing so hang in there.  Working on it.

[LCADolby]

Thanks for the effort Skuzzy  


It's this hop; 207.88.14.34.ptr.us.xo.net