Run90 Defensive Tactic (Video!)

[tunnelrat]

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  I gotta say though, for stick stirring, this guy takes the cake, I think, if you don't count warpers 

I don't think that was stick stirring... the point is the negative g's pulled in that ridiculous "scissors".

Negative G's, being far more dangerous to the brainpan and face/eyes... I think you should go into redout land for extended periods just like blackoutville.

[mthrockmor]

This guy had you twice, but instead of working the roll-rate he went into the negative G thing. My preferred is the barrel roll defense. The 190 being both fast and great acceleration those on the 6s bore in for the kill. I begin to barrel roll them, they keep boring in, trying to roll with the 190 to no avail. Then at the right moment a good hard turn, another barrel roll and they overshoot.

Completely different story if they know what a 't-h-r-o-t-t-l-e' is. Fact is, if something gets on your 6 only stupidity on their end will get them off. As Save says, the 190 only has the roll but done right with a weak-minded adversary you should be just fine.

Boo

[Pand]

This was a Dora.

[mthrockmor]

PS Obviously you are not a weak minded adversary. I hate the negative G fish flop but, that and the 6G turning Lancs, always a laugh.

[Pand]

PS Obviously you are not a weak minded adversary. I hate the negative G fish flop but, that and the 6G turning Lancs, always a laugh.

Thanks Boo 

[Moelders]

That looked like some Area 51 thrust vectoring experiment.
    

Works as intended

[SmokinLoon]

HTC is less than remotely concerned with any sort of realism.  This is not a combat flight simulator, it is a game full of gamers.  Get used to it, it never ever... ever, will change.

Ouch.  Did someone pee in your Fruit Loops this morning?  There comes a point when if the players have to be more concerned about the mixture of fuel, pitch of props, trim of elevators and rudder, etc, etc, that it becomes a hindrance on having fun (a.k.a "game play").  While I think there are a number of things in AH that could be tweaked I dont think in the least bit the HTC is not concerned about accurate flight models, etc.   

[Dead Man Flying]

The 190 did a pretty good job of evading you given the circumstances, and with a little more awareness/aggressiveness, he probably could have reversed you.  Nonetheless, he did manage to drag out the fight for awhile, brought you to the deck, slowed you down, and led you to an area filled with enemies.  You likely survived after that, but you took that bait and put yourself in a very dangerous situation.

As far as AH flight model oddities, I point you here.

[Pand]

The 190 did a pretty good job of evading you given the circumstances, and with a little more awareness/aggressiveness, he probably could have reversed you.  Nonetheless, he did manage to drag out the fight for awhile, brought you to the deck, slowed you down, and led you to an area filled with enemies.  You likely survived after that, but you took that bait and put yourself in a very dangerous situation.

As far as AH flight model oddities, I point you here.

I did make it home   That k4 hot on my tail ran out of taters 

[Nath[BDP]]

Oh wow he's doing neg G reversals.  Never seen that before.   

hilarious vid

[RedBull1]

I don't think that was stick stirring... the point is the negative g's pulled in that ridiculous "scissors".

Negative G's, being far more dangerous to the brainpan and face/eyes... I think you should go into redout land for extended periods just like blackoutville.

That was not a scissors (imo), for once I will stick up for Pand and say he was simply staying behind him trying to hit this guy stirring like a 2 week fish out of water.
All of that neg G bs he pulled every time Pand got guns on him, I would personally classify that as Stick Stirring, certainly not any kind of ACM by any means 

[Sunka]

Just wondering Pand,how fast where you going during this?Ty for sharing btw.

[Pawz]

That was hands down the funniest video I've seen since candy mountain. 

[Getback]

Fast roll without losing altitude,specially at treetop level at 500mph+, together with unchallenged ability to lose speed in turns, forcing overshoot is best way of surviving in an FW A-series.
Some planes can dive with a A8, but most can not maneuver with them at 550mph+.

Sometimes I land more auger kills than gun kills, scraping off Pony's in the trees rolling @500 mph +
One short negative G while rolling vertical down, while gaining speed agianst  pesky K-4's is another favourite, when closer to the ground pull up, fully trimmed up and see the ex-pesky K-4 making a beautiful hole in the ground.


If you don't want to see 190s in AH, ask for reduction of roll rate of 190s, and you will see no 190-A series there any more.

They cant run from 51s, some 47s, yak's,  Lala's, f4u's and some spits, they  cant turn sustained with anything that resembles a fighter ( and many/most bombers (!),  reducing roll rate would be an effective 190-killer in the game. They cant zoom good , and climb sux 4k-8.5k.

I see more pull-pushers, and fish-floppers from late Spit-series planes, than I ever did from 190s in the MA.

I want the 190s I just don't understand how they can stick stir and still be up.

BTW watch Pervert fly a 190 and you will just be amazed how smooth he flies and how he can kill about anything. Pretty good stuff.

[Pand]

Just wondering Pand,how fast where you going during this?Ty for sharing btw.

Initial dive when he started running I hit around 500.  We were around 350-400ish when he started rocking the hardcore negative gs.