Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?

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The A-26



The 109 cockpit

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I spoke with the curator and showed him two AH films, one of Redbull in a 109 K4 and one of Krupnski in the same bird.  The Redbull video was of him beating a Zeke on the deck and immediately a Spit and the Krup video was his YouTube video of "The perfect tail slide".

The curator said, " without a doubt the K4 could have performed those maneuvers in RL.  The Germans just never needed to use the plane in that manner."  "K4 had more power and was more torque-assisted than any other plane in WWII for its weight....and as long as the pilot could ride the rudder out of the stall, have enough room to pull out of his situation, absolutely."

Thank you and see you tonight.

[Krusty]

The last Bf109F-4 was produced in May 1942. As the Cavanagh a/c was built in 1943, their a/c would be based on the Bf109G.

Later than that, probably. Most (all?) bouchons were post-war, based on later 109G-6 airframes (this includes up to G-14s, though). This one is probably retrofitted with an earlier canopy for museum use, but you can see the big bumps on top of the wings because G-6s and later models had larger wheels.

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Later than that, probably. Most (all?) bouchons were post-war, based on later 109G-6 airframes (this includes up to G-14s, though). This one is probably retrofitted with an earlier canopy for museum use, but you can see the big bumps on top of the wings because G-6s and later models had larger wheels.

Yes, the curator said this one was crated for Spain and never put together until after the war for whatever reason.  It never saw action but the Spit VIII above has 2.5 kills on the serial number.  Not enough room to type it's story but it was England, France, N Africa, and finally Burma where it was eventually discovered.

BTW, I met Bearkat today....he works at the museum...nice young man and he gets to be around these machines all day long.

[GScholz]

Love the paint job on the "109", even if it is probably not historically correct. Hate the looks of that Spanish mongrel though... If the museum has any spare cash they should chop the nose of that HA and get a proper one from Eastern Europe, since the rest of the plane is a proper Gustaf.

[Debrody]

I'm 10:2 so far this tour in my La-5FN vs 109's, all kinds. Bring your G2!  

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dont annoy me to go rook!  
(no even talking about the bishs..) haha
 

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The last Bf109F-4 was produced in May 1942. As the Cavanagh a/c was built in 1943, their a/c would be based on the Bf109G.

Correct. 

[Reaper90]

dont annoy me to go rook!  
(no even talking about the bishs..) haha
 

  Debrody, there are very very few 109's I fear when I am channeling the spirit of Ivan Kozhedub, but I bet you'd tower me quite frequently .... but I always am up for a fight!

I'd love to go to the DA with you sometime for some 109G vs La-5FN grudgefights, let me know! would be fun!

 

ps. added a few more 109's to that count last night   even though I was flying horribly (I blame the tequila!)

[Reaper90]

Love the paint job on the "109", even if it is probably not historically correct. Hate the looks of that Spanish mongrel though... If the museum has any spare cash they should chop the nose of that HA and get a proper one from Eastern Europe, since the rest of the plane is a proper Gustaf.

w3rd.

My calender hanging on the wall in my office features one of these Spanish Buchons, and I have to say a 109 with a Merlin makes for one HORRID looking bastard of an airplane.

I almost hate to look at the thing.

[Stang]

109 F-4. Preferably in a white skin so you stand out more and cause fear in the wobbly legs of the meek.

[Krusty]

w3rd.

My calender hanging on the wall in my office features one of these Spanish Buchons, and I have to say a 109 with a Merlin makes for one HORRID looking bastard of an airplane.

I almost hate to look at the thing.

There's only one plane worse, and that's the Merlin-powered He-111s... twice the Merlins, twice the ugly!!

[MiloMorai]

All 109s are ugly.

[Nath[BDP]]

I spoke with the curator and showed him two AH films, one of Redbull in a 109 K4 and one of Krupnski in the same bird.  The Redbull video was of him beating a Zeke on the deck and immediately a Spit and the Krup video was his YouTube video of "The perfect tail slide".

The curator said, " without a doubt the K4 could have performed those maneuvers in RL.  The Germans just never needed to use the plane in that manner."  "K4 had more power and was more torque-assisted than any other plane in WWII for its weight....and as long as the pilot could ride the rudder out of the stall, have enough room to pull out of his situation, absolutely."

Did you show him my Kung Fu Fighting video?  It can be done in almost every plane in Aces High.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06f0GF0VAwA Only reason its done more often in the 109 is that the 109 is incredibly forgiving.  Try this in a Spit16 or Ki84 and you can very easily throw it into a spin -- The K4 just auto corrects, and therefore the move is very accessible. 


 

[GScholz]

Can be done with almost any aircraft in real-life too, just takes a complete moron to actually do it in anything but a purpose built stunt/display plane.

[Nath[BDP]]

Can be done with almost any aircraft in real-life too, just takes a complete moron to actually do it in anything but a purpose built stunt/display plane.

Why?  Just do it in a 109, F4U, F6F, P47 or other plane in real life.  If the flight model in AH is at all accurate it should be a very safe maneuver that's easy to recover from.