Which is better, the Bf109-G2, or the Bf-109-K4?

[GScholz]

Wow... look at Svetlana at 2:08 in the same vid... Very nice!

[Nath[BDP]]

See my Peter Besenyei post...

At 2:30 in?  An impressive maneuver and indeed his nose swings a bit to the left when starting out, but again the nose of his aircraft does not swing and face in the opposite direction he's flying and bounce back to normal flight as it does in AH.

[GScholz]

Actually it does... and then he starts tumbling, seemingly uncontrollably, until he suddenly is nose down on a perfect line with the runway/raceway-straight. A reversal in flight direction is not unusual at all if you actually try to make it so. If you manage to push the plane beyond it dynamic stability threshold, and beyond 90 degrees, the propeller suddenly becomes a "drag-chute". If you then right the control surfaces, they will weathervane the aircraft back into controlled flight.

[GScholz]

Here's an Sukhoi performing a complete 360 degree flip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALt3m3Kkhw

[Debrody]

Now teach me those moves in AH and ill find the way to use them as an ACM...
crazy stuff

[Scotch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfOT6xjlTGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fyvjO1oFK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk9lxciS4M0


Reading about the real "tailslide" and not what we in AH have called the tailslide has helped me understand a better way to get out of the crazy 152 spin. It still takes some effort and some alt right now though.

[GScholz]

Very useful for making people overshoot.

Is AH "easy mode"? ... Undoubtedly. However it must be since we don't get any of the feedback from the plane that we need to instinctively make the necessary control adjustments. After all, this game should be available to both squeekers and real-life veteran pilots alike.

[GScholz]

Reading about the real "tailslide" and not what we in AH have called the tailslide has helped me understand a better way to get out of the crazy 152 spin. It still takes some effort and some alt right now though.

Never had that problem in the 152. It has a big prop up front, and tiny stabilizers at the back; just need to stop the prop from acting like a drag-chute by shutting down the engine, then standard spin recovery procedure.

[Nath[BDP]]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfOT6xjlTGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fyvjO1oFK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk9lxciS4M0


Reading about the real "tailslide" and not what we in AH have called the tailslide has helped me understand a better way to get out of the crazy 152 spin. It still takes some effort and some alt right now though.

That first film is very illustrative of the move, note how the nose swings around quite cleanly to face almost the opposite direction with very little splaying about of the nose.  I don't see any of these acrobatic films doing that.  And the jet thing is totally different since it seems to be pitch and not yaw.

In Ta 152 it can throw you into a serious spin.  

[GScholz]

I'm not seeing that; to me it seems only to pancake into the direction of travel, firing straight up at the overshooting con, then starting to fall down.

[GScholz]

That's the most extreme angle I could spot. Very much in line with what we see these aerobatic planes do.

[GScholz]

I suppose you've all seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBiMM7VGh8

The CGI is overdone/fake, but listen to what the pilot says about how he does it...

[Nath[BDP]]

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That's the most extreme angle I could spot. Very much in line with what we see these aerobatic planes do.

That's near the angle when he got shot, but the angle was more acute before that.  I didn't say complete 180, but nearly. 

[Scotch]

I don't have combat film of it, but a 152 can essentially flip 180 and fly backwards. I will post film of it later.


I've been curious what the RV-8 can do in AH, but I can't remember how to enable it offline.

[Nath[BDP]]

I suppose you've all seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBiMM7VGh8

The CGI is overdone/fake, but listen to what the pilot says about how he does it...

FWIW In that video it shows the P51 doing it to the left, in AH it only works in the direction opposite of the engine torque which is typically right for most planes.