Oxygen

[colmbo]

Bomber turrets? Hydraulics off of one engine only. Kill that engine, kill all turrets. Gun chargers the same thing.

B-17 had electric turrets, same for B-24 with exception of the tail turret.  Gun charges were the "armstrong" type...you grabbed the handle and yanked it back.

[Karnak]

B-17 had electric turrets, same for B-24 with exception of the tail turret.  Gun charges were the "armstrong" type...you grabbed the handle and yanked it back.

Where was the power from?  If I recall correctly, on Lancasters the #3 engine supplied the power (hydraulics I think, but maybe electric) for the turrets.

On the Mosquito Mk XVI one of the engines (I don't recall which) provided the cabin pressurization.

[Arlo]

Ok ... this is way too hard a wish, then ... for programmer and player alike.   ahem

[Chalenge]

Where was the power from?  If I recall correctly, on Lancasters the #3 engine supplied the power (hydraulics I think, but maybe electric) for the turrets.

On the Mosquito Mk XVI one of the engines (I don't recall which) provided the cabin pressurization.

Correct. Lancs were #3. I don't believe the two examples are accurate, nor consistent with every type. Certainly, Spits and Hurricanes could not charge their guns the same way a P-51 could, or F4U.

And to add a reply to Arlo: The entire "add Oxygen" item is an overreaction and as I already said, an attempt to force players to fly only along certain lines.

You and the likes of you demanded changes be made to cause people to fight, to "force them to fight" if you will. Then you got hordes as a result. This wish is just as stupid.

[SIK1]

I thought we already had plenty playing AH that suffered from hypoxia. 

[colmbo]

Where was the power from? 

The B-17 was an electric airplane, generator on each engine.  The only hydraulics are the brakes and cowl flaps.  The hydraulic pump is electrically driver and mounted in the right rear corner of the cockpit --- right next to several O2 tanks --- no wonder you read about so many cockpit fires.

The B-24 had an engine driven hydraulic pump on the #3 engine plus an electric pump to assist during high demand times such as gear retraction. (Even the it takes about 15-18 seconds which is a very, very long time with an engine loss on takeoff).  B-24 was mostly hydraulic - brakes, gear, flaps and tail turret.  Bombbay and cowl flaps are electric.

[Arlo]

And to add a reply to Arlo: The entire "add Oxygen" item is an overreaction and as I already said, an attempt to force players to fly only along certain lines.

You and the likes of you demanded changes be made to cause people to fight, to "force them to fight" if you will. Then you got hordes as a result. This wish is just as stupid.

Um no. To paraphrase Yul Brynner in the Magnificent Seven - Chalenge, please don't understand me so fast. You just think that's both the motivation and effect. It no more forces players to 'fight' than control surfaces and unwillingness to use them would. The oxy will probably work flawlessly, unless it is damaged or destroyed. Bet the planes will all climb like normal, boom and zoom like normal and fly at max speed like normal and having oxygen aboard won't stop that. Don't be jealous. Not every good idea will be yours.

[FLOOB]

Where was the power from?  If I recall correctly, on Lancasters the #3 engine supplied the power (hydraulics I think, but maybe electric) for the turrets.

On the Mosquito Mk XVI one of the engines (I don't recall which) provided the cabin pressurization.

An electrical system that's engineered needlessly inadequate on a british machine? How stereotypical.

[Chalenge]

Um no. To paraphrase Yul Brynner in the Magnificent Seven - Chalenge, please don't understand me so fast. You just think that's both the motivation and effect. It no more forces players to 'fight' than control surfaces and unwillingness to use them would. The oxy will probably work flawlessly, unless it is damaged or destroyed. Bet the planes will all climb like normal, boom and zoom like normal and fly at max speed like normal and having oxygen aboard won't stop that. Don't be jealous. Not every good idea will be yours.

BS and I'm being nice. I think you went on board, or saw pictures of all the oxygen bottles aboard bombers and you thought to yourself, "this is another way to get bombers to come down so I don't have to climb up to them."

You need to get used to the idea that the trend in WWII was "ever higher, ever faster." They didn't put a pressurized cockpit on aircraft so they could furball at 5k.

Modeling individual systems outside of what we already have is probably a fruitless endeavor.

[Arlo]

BS and I'm being nice. I think you went on board, or saw pictures of all the oxygen bottles aboard bombers and you thought to yourself, "this is another way to get bombers to come down so I don't have to climb up to them."

You need to get used to the idea that the trend in WWII was "ever higher, ever faster." They didn't put a pressurized cockpit on aircraft so they could furball at 5k.

Modeling individual systems outside of what we already have is probably a fruitless endeavor.

Making up what you think my motivation is and how I came about it doesn't make your claim of what it will result in realistic. At this point, you're just having a hissy. You're way too concerned about how this may negatively affect the way you like to play. If you're good at it, it never will.  

p.s.  I love climbing up to bombers. 

[surfinn]

dead thread    Its not gonna happen.

[muzik]

if this gets added, pretty soon the conspiracy guys will start that it doesnt work properly on any german rides  .


semp

Schlowy still stinking up 200?



Btw, love the idea arlo

[muzik]

Unarmed bombs exploding from taking hits? Rerferences and statistics?

It happened. I've read several accounts. Saburo Sakai's biography has at least one account.

[Chalenge]

Making up what you think my motivation is and how I came about it doesn't make your claim of what it will result in realistic. At this point, you're just having a hissy. You're way too concerned about how this may negatively affect the way you like to play. If you're good at it, it never will.  

p.s.  I love climbing up to bombers. 

I'm not concerned about it affecting my gameplay at all. What I am thinking is this: if they put oxygen bottles in every airplane that will mean years of work. I would much rather have terrain triggered audio affects (ambient), more airplanes, more GVs, strats separated, and a hundred other things than I would one single footstep toward making AH a study simulation.

Your current argument is not supporting your position anymore. Now you just sound like someone upset that they are not going to get their way. And my assessment of your reasoning is accurate.

[Arlo]

I'm not concerned about it affecting my gameplay at all.

You've been going on and on about how this wish is all about affecting that type of gameplay (which it never was). 

Your current argument is not supporting your position anymore. Now you just sound like someone upset that they are not going to get their way. And my assessment of your reasoning is accurate.

Why on earth would anyone get upset in the wishlist thread about someone else telling them they wont get their way, oh Carnac the Magnificent?