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Offline LilMak

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Perked load.
« on: April 28, 2013, 11:37:01 AM »
I'd like to see 1k bombs for fighter aircraft be assigned a perk cost of 1 perk per bomb. As it stands now, I feel that fighter aircraft are being abused in the bomber role. The standard mode of base attack has boiled down to large numbers of American fighters (47s, 38s, 51s, F4Us, F6fs) screaming in a flattening all base hangars in a single pass. I considered asking for targets to be hardened beyond what a single heavy fighter could haul but I don't think that would be fair to the bomber guys. As it stands right now, I think it's too easy to close a base using quick strikes with heavy fighter aircraft. Given the the short distances between bases in the MA, I believe heavy fighter missions bent on hangar destruction (no enemy resistance) have a heavy advantage over defenders and cause a gameplay imbalance in favor of attackers. While the perked load isn't a new idea and may never be implemented, it is still my wish to attempt to even things out a little.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2013, 12:15:44 PM »
Perhaps instead of a perk on 1k bombs for fighters, how about eliminating their availability altogether? 

500 pounders should be the limit for fighters.  Not because they couldn't carry more, but as a game play limitation - like the amount needed to destroy a corrugated tin fighter hangar is far more than what is needed to destroy a concrete ammo bunker.  A horde of 1k bomb-laden fighters is far more effective (and far more quick, easy and survivable) than a bomber horde.  Let the bombers bomb the big stuff.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2013, 12:21:52 PM »
Then it would be a risky thing to kill wirblse with a 38g
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2013, 12:22:22 PM »
Perhaps instead of a perk on 1k bombs for fighters, how about eliminating their availability altogether? 

Makes more sense to me. +1

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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 12:25:20 PM »
Hell yes
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2013, 12:30:00 PM »
Eliminated no, regulated a big yes  :aok
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2013, 12:36:54 PM »
Then it would be a risky thing to kill wirblse with a 38g

A 500 pounder has more than enough to kill a Wirble or anything short of a Tiger with a near miss.  Now actually seeing where the Wirble is, that's another topic.  I miss the old GV icon days.  :(
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2013, 12:45:45 PM »
A 500 pounder has more than enough to kill a Wirble or anything short of a Tiger with a near miss.  Now actually seeing where the Wirble is, that's another topic.  I miss the old GV icon days.  :(

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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2013, 01:16:13 PM »
+1 to perked heavy ordnance on fighters, with the exception of special ord packages, such as the SAP 500kg on the 190F and 410. should the 190F also get things like the SC250 wing racks, then maybe.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2013, 01:23:05 PM »
+1 to perked heavy ordnance on fighters, with the exception of special ord packages, such as the SAP 500kg on the 190F and 410. should the 190F also get things like the SC250 wing racks, then maybe.
Why should German stuff get a freebie?  No, control it all.  You can pay a perk or two for your 500kg SAP bombs just as well as Joe Mustang can pay a perk or two for his 1000lb bombs.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2013, 01:32:50 PM »
The difference is the 190F only carries one, while the P-51 had two. You're essentially saying the 190F absolutely positively be half as effective as the Allied fighters because derp.

And notice I said if the 190F ever gets its two wing mounted 250kg bombs, we could consider perking the 500kg bomb.

And last I saw, the 410 was a heavy fighter. 110 should have some slack as well. If the Mossie used 1000lb bombs instead of 500lb ones, I'd argue for those too.

You could also make a case for the P-38 and 47, but those have obvious issues with being counter productive to the OP's goal.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2013, 01:41:18 PM »
The difference is the 190F only carries one, while the P-51 had two. You're essentially saying the 190F absolutely positively be half as effective as the Allied fighters because derp.

And notice I said if the 190F ever gets its two wing mounted 250kg bombs, we could consider perking the 500kg bomb.

And last I saw, the 410 was a heavy fighter. 110 should have some slack as well. If the Mossie used 1000lb bombs instead of 500lb ones, I'd argue for those too.

You could also make a case for the P-38 and 47, but those have obvious issues with being counter productive to the OP's goal.
Disagree.  All fighters, don't care how big, should have the 1000lb class weapons controlled.  The Fw190F-8 has no intrinsic right to carry as much as a P-51D so that is completely a non-issue.  It isn't even a balance issue.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2013, 01:49:43 PM »
I'll go along with the 1k bombs
being perked for fighters. Albiet only if they are perked and I'd say go a bit heavier with 5 perks.
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2013, 02:51:04 PM »
yes thongs have
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well go on a diet then.

or, even better, DONT WEAR THEM!   :huh
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Re: Perked load.
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 03:02:55 PM »
Disagree.  All fighters, don't care how big, should have the 1000lb class weapons controlled.  The Fw190F-8 has no intrinsic right to carry as much as a P-51D so that is completely a non-issue.  It isn't even a balance issue.

The P-51 has no intrinsic right to carry more ord either. And the 190 is missing a bunch of ord options, so we're missing a bunch of functionality. No need to hurt it more.

And 190F right now has about as much ord capacity as a P-51 with the proposed changes. Considering the changes would be for game play, there is no gameplay-based reason to impose the same limit on the 190.

They are all either based on historical representation (not the case here) or personal bias.
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