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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2013, 02:18:30 PM »
ThHistorically, 190s pwnt alle das allied arse, if pilot wasn't a noob replacement!
A russian ace, in interview said that "because he is patriotic, he has to say la was better."
Yeah I need to find the article.

In Air Warrior 2 and 3, they had 190a4, a6, a8, d9.
A6 wasn't the fastest plane, but it was faster than most, but it could turn fite with the best of them at any speed.
A6 had 13mm's on nose, 20mm's in wings near engine, and no outer guns.
This was the late war fast yet could turn n burn jack of all trades 190, was my favorite...

D9 was about same as here, a very fast(est) brick.
A8 was the bomber interceptor

Wikipedia "list of flying aces ww2"
Not all of those guys were 109 pilots.

Walter Nowotny for example, choir boy doing God's work, pwning!
He was a fighter, his scores / flights reflect.
Dead at only 23yrs old, in a 262 after kicking arse and taking names!
He took a year off to be a trainer...
Was highest scorer at his peek at the time.
I think hans joachim had him beat for kills in a day... not sure.

Gunther Rall said "but the serious kills in a day were done by the 190"

The triggers, I heard, for a8, were nose 13s and inner 20s on same trigger, is what I've heard...

This may be the most asinine comment I've ever seen in AH.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2013, 07:49:12 PM »
Didnt think that was historically accurate.  The 190x had 2 triggers: primary and secondary???
   


  After doing some reading I've found that the FW indeed had the cowl and inboard guns on 1 trigger and arming system and the outboard weapons used a second triggure and arming system. The Aircrafts battery could hand the load of arming all the weapons at the same time and the pilot was told to wait atleast 3 seconds before arming the secondary guns.

  Interesting they had to add an optional panel and another trigger if the 190 was to be equipped with bombs.

  On a side note the FW had electrically activated flaps with only 3 positions,down,takeoff and flight. It did however have electrical horizontal stab that could be trimmed by the pilot.

   When I have the time I'll look into the 410 but I'd assume it worked in a similar fashion.


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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2013, 09:03:53 PM »
Electrical elevators too? new to me, I'll buy it!  Anyways, long time re-run documentary on tv said Kurt Tank (designer) built 190 to be light and strong, keeping components simple so easy to work on and maintain. Also, I thought the main wings were connected together and then put under the plane?

Surprisingly, when i'm doing my high speed stuff, 190 can snap the wing tips of both wings at same time! Strong wings shouldn't do that!

I think we get this bad property on the 190 because of just one film out there that the left wingtip of a 190 getting shot off, and the pilot bails out, u saw it on tv long ago many times!
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2013, 02:22:31 AM »
190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2013, 02:38:40 AM »
190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2013, 09:01:41 AM »
190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad.  :rolleyes:


Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.

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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2013, 09:03:37 AM »
Flown right the 190 owns everything.


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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2013, 10:25:40 AM »
Flown right the 190 owns everything.
When you have enough E, anything can kill everything. Real skill comes out when you dont hold all the cards.
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2013, 12:03:39 PM »
Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.

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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2013, 12:24:34 PM »
I wish the 30mm had their own trigger. But Primary in a 190 is the maching guns. Secondary is all the cannons. If I take the 2x30mm, when I pull the secondary trigger button, I'm firing the 2x30mm and the 2x20mm at the same time. the bullistics are different enough that they won't both hit the target unless I'm at very plase range. If I'm in that close and landing both 30mms I really don't need the 20mm so they are wasted. If I'm using the 20mm in a lead turn where they reach out little further than the 30mm, I'm waiting all the 30mms.

If in Real life they were wired this way, then so be it. But If there was a way to fire 30mm and 20mm separately, then I'd like to be able to set th eplane up that way.

A8s are great at diving on targets...Buffs, furballs. GV and ground objects. When used in that way they pack quite a punch.

However, It will lose a 1v1 vs almost everyplane in the game because it may be the worst turning plane in the game. Like all 190s it has some snap move tricks, but those moves require a complete E-dump, leaving you helpless if you miss, or if there are multiple bandits around. You will see a lot of Head On shots from 190-A8. Some will blame that on Noob pilots, but I think it's because it turns so pourly, has such devestating Firepower, and high toughness that it is probably the planes best chance to get a kill.
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2013, 01:00:32 PM »
Flown right the 190 owns everything. What you're saying is you don't know how to fly German Iron.

Boo

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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2013, 01:13:02 PM »
After doing some reading I've found that the FW indeed had the cowl and inboard guns on 1 trigger and arming system and the outboard weapons used a second triggure and arming system. The Aircrafts battery could hand the load of arming all the weapons at the same time and the pilot was told to wait atleast 3 seconds before arming the secondary guns.

  Interesting they had to add an optional panel and another trigger if the 190 was to be equipped with bombs.
190a8 weapons info from a technical manual i have a copy of...
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2013, 03:00:54 PM »
How the 190 community views the rest of the world.  :airplane: (190) then  :ahand (everything else)

Like I've said before, there are two types of planes 190s and targets. Just say'n.... :neener: :old:

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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2013, 03:07:15 PM »
190's are lame. . .that is coming from a guy in a German steel squad.  :rolleyes:

You have much to learn...German iron.

You like British planes anyway...no?
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Re: Opinions of the A8
« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2013, 03:45:31 PM »
Electrical elevators too? new to me...

Not electric elevators. The elevator trim was an electric motor driving a screw jack that changed the angle of attack of the entire horizontal stab, in tiny increments.

As for general opinions of German Iron: IMHO the Bf-109 is a rapier and the FW-190 is a bludgeon.   :aok
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