A26 Invader anyone???

[Rich46yo]

Events are to rare and usually under populated...unfortunately.

My favorite missions are those that use Historically accurate plane sets. That appears rarer and rarer too...unfortunately.

One cant argue the fact that the A-26 would get used a lot in the game. If thats not a point for a plane then I dont know what would be.

I'd rather see the TU-2 personally. And the Beau would be a fine choice as well.

[bozon]

One cant argue the fact that the A-26 would get used a lot in the game. If thats not a point for a plane then I dont know what would be.

It will be perked and hence not as popular as some may think.

[gyrene81]

Rich, fso (special event) runs 3 fridays a month. scenarios take a while longer to gear up but they run 3-4 saturdays in a row. sunday european campaign runs most every sunday. then you have snapshots and this day in ww2.

there are plenty of special events with historical setups on great special event maps and the more early-mid war aircraft that get included in the list, the better the special events become. substitutions have sucked the life out of special events, they just don't work well especially for early war setups where there were a lot of different aircraft flying around, including metal biplanes.

[guncrasher]

quit being a stooge man. there is fun beyond the "we must all winz de warz" and "if it ain't late war it ain't worthy" mentality. there are far fewer people concerned with winning de warz than there are people who just enjoy having something besides brit and american super planes to fly around in.

you really should try an fso or scenario...especially one where there aren't a bunch of substitute aircraft that really aren't appropriate substitutions.

what makes you think I havent?   last time I flew in an fso it was a 1 1/2 hour flight for 2 minutes worth of fighting.  would I do it again?  of course, not because of the planes but because of the players I fly with.  however we could be doing our own scenario in the ma attacking the strats using a b26 more than using a pe8 or some of the other "bombers" that you want added so they can be used 1 or twice a year.

and we do the ma thing everyday not "a few times a year".


semp

[whiteman]

heck yea i want the A-26, for looks alone.

[Arlo]

what makes you think I havent?   last time I flew in an fso it was a 1 1/2 hour flight for 2 minutes worth of fighting.  would I do it again?  of course, not because of the planes but because of the players I fly with.  however we could be doing our own scenario in the ma attacking the strats using a b26 more than using a pe8 or some of the other "bombers" that you want added so they can be used 1 or twice a year.

and we do the ma thing everyday not "a few times a year".


semp

I'm sorry you died so easily in that FSO.

Aren't you having fun playing in the ma pretending you're in a scenario bombing strats using a B-26 without anyone forcing you to use a Russian Tu-2?

B-26

Performance

    Maximum speed: 287 mph (250 knots, 460 km/h) at 5,000 feet (1,500 m)
    Cruise speed: 216 mph (188 knots, 358 km/h)
    Landing speed: 114 mph (90 knots, 167 km/h))
    Combat radius: 1,150 mi (999 nmi, 1,850 km)
    Ferry range: 2,850 mi (2,480 nmi, 4,590 km)
    Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
    Wing loading: 46.4 lb/ft² (228 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 0.10 hp/lb (170 W/kg)

Armament

    Guns: 12 × .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns
    Bombs: 4,000 pounds (1,800 kg)

Tu-2

Performance

    Maximum speed: 521 km/h (281 kn, 325 mph)
    Range: 2,020 km (1,090 nmi, 1,260 mi)
    Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,528 ft)
    Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,610 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 217 kg/m² (45 lb/ft²)
    Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

Armament

    Guns:
        2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannon in the wings
        3 × 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
    Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally


Oh ... and .....

A-26

Performance

    Maximum speed: 355 mph (308 kn, 570 km/h)
    Range: 1,400 mi (1,200 nmi, 2,300 km)
    Service ceiling: 22,000 ft (6,700 m)
    Rate of climb: 1,250 ft/min (6.4 m/s)
    Wing loading: 51 lb/ft² (250 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 0.145 hp/lb (108 W/kg)

Armament

    Guns:
        Up to 8 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in the nose (1,600 rpg)
        8 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns paired in four optional underwing pods
        2 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns in remote-controlled dorsal turret
        2 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns in remote-controlled ventral turret
    Bombs: 6,000 lb (2,700 kg) capacity - 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) in the bomb bay plus 2,000 lb (910 kg) carried externally on underwing hardpoints

[Zacherof]

If it's added, the bombers I'll use the most will be bostons, and the A26.

[Eric19]

I'm sorry you died so easily in that FSO.

Aren't you having fun playing in the ma pretending you're in a scenario bombing strats using a B-26 without anyone forcing you to use a Russian Tu-2?

B-26

Performance

    Maximum speed: 287 mph (250 knots, 460 km/h) at 5,000 feet (1,500 m)
    Cruise speed: 216 mph (188 knots, 358 km/h)
    Landing speed: 114 mph (90 knots, 167 km/h))
    Combat radius: 1,150 mi (999 nmi, 1,850 km)
    Ferry range: 2,850 mi (2,480 nmi, 4,590 km)
    Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
    Wing loading: 46.4 lb/ft² (228 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 0.10 hp/lb (170 W/kg)

Armament

    Guns: 12 × .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning machine guns
    Bombs: 4,000 pounds (1,800 kg)

Tu-2

Performance

    Maximum speed: 521 km/h (281 kn, 325 mph)
    Range: 2,020 km (1,090 nmi, 1,260 mi)
    Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,528 ft)
    Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,610 ft/min)
    Wing loading: 217 kg/m² (45 lb/ft²)
    Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

Armament

    Guns:
        2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannon in the wings
        3 × 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
    Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally


Oh ... and .....

A-26

Performance

    Maximum speed: 355 mph (308 kn, 570 km/h)
    Range: 1,400 mi (1,200 nmi, 2,300 km)
    Service ceiling: 22,000 ft (6,700 m)
    Rate of climb: 1,250 ft/min (6.4 m/s)
    Wing loading: 51 lb/ft² (250 kg/m²)
    Power/mass: 0.145 hp/lb (108 W/kg)

Armament

    Guns:
        Up to 8 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in the nose (1,600 rpg)
        8 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns paired in four optional underwing pods
        2 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns in remote-controlled dorsal turret
        2 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns in remote-controlled ventral turret
    Bombs: 6,000 lb (2,700 kg) capacity - 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) in the bomb bay plus 2,000 lb (910 kg) carried externally on underwing hardpoints

A26 still beats that TU2 but I wouldn't mind both in the next update and quit hijacking my thread plz who gives a crap if it doesn't need to be added its the wishlist not a "we need it now" forum just say yes/no don't need a rant going on

[Rich46yo]

Rich, fso (special event) runs 3 fridays a month. scenarios take a while longer to gear up but they run 3-4 saturdays in a row. sunday european campaign runs most every sunday. then you have snapshots and this day in ww2.

there are plenty of special events with historical setups on great special event maps and the more early-mid war aircraft that get included in the list, the better the special events become. substitutions have sucked the life out of special events, they just don't work well especially for early war setups where there were a lot of different aircraft flying around, including metal biplanes.

"sigh" I have to get up so early for work I sadly miss most of these. They are the game at its best, the Historical recreations. I believe it so. I remember more enthusiasm among the membership for more recreations at one time. They are far more fun, and interesting then the "win de map" style of play. I believe.

I'd love to see an eastern front one with TU's or PE's in the mix. Im hoping for a bump for Soviet aviation.

[Arlo]

A26 still beats that TU2 but I wouldn't mind both in the next update and quit hijacking my thread plz who gives a crap if it doesn't need to be added its the wishlist not a "we need it now" forum just say yes/no don't need a rant going on

25 mph faster with a lower payload, shorter range, slower climb rate and lower ceiling hardly sounds like a 'beats' to me. 

[Eric19]

tu2 can only handle 8300lbs of ords thats 3700lbs less than what the a26 can handle with its 12,000lb payload, better defensive armorment as well,
the A26's wing loading is within 6lbs/ft^2 of the TUs so that is negilible, the A26 is also better in the offensive department because of its 16 fixed forward firing 50cals so yes it beats the TU2
move along
i appericate the feed back but plz the russians got nothing on the A26
by the way the TU2 only beats the A26 in range by 60 miles so that is redundent

[Arlo]

tu2 can only handle 8300lbs of ords thats 3700lbs less than what the a26 can handle with its 12,000lb payload, better defensive armorment as well,
the A26's wing loading is within 6lbs/ft^2 of the TUs so that is negilible, the A26 is also better in the offensive department because of its 16 fixed forward firing 50cals so yes it beats the TU2
move along
i appericate the feed back but plz the russians got nothing on the A26
by the way the TU2 only beats the A26 in range by 60 miles so that is redundent

Math, Eric.

Tu-2

Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally 3,300 + 5,000 = 8,300 ... lbs

A-26

Bombs: 6,000 lb (2,700 kg) capacity [this is a total - this must be where you became confused] - 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) in the bomb bay plus 2,000 lb (910 kg) carried externally on underwing hardpoints

8,300 - 6,000 = 2,300 lbs ... which means the Tu-2 carries more ord than the A-26.

Greater bomb load .... climbs better, flies higher, flies farther ..... apparently negligible wing-loading differences.
All you want the A-26 for is a strafer, apparently. Game's got a lot of those. 

[Ack-Ack]

Interesting section from the A-26 flight manual.

The following maneuvers are restricted:
a. All acrobatics
Loops, spins, rolls, and violent stalls are prohibited.  The airplane has a wingloading of 60 lbs. per square foot normally loaded with flaps up.  It was not designed for air circus maneuvers or student acrobatic training.

b. Vertical banks.
Remember that the A-26 has a high wingloading, and your stalling speed increases with your rate of bank.  For example, at 31,000 lbs. gross in a 60° bank with the airplane clean and power off, your airplane stalls at 192 mph (42% higher in a 60° bank than in level flight). 

All of these maneuvers are prohibited chiefly because of the high wingloading of the airplane.  Take the airplane designer's and your instructor's word for it.  Don't experiment

ack-ack

[Wmaker]

Math, Eric.

Tu-2

Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally 3,300 + 5,000 = 8,300 ... lbs

Well actually 8300lbs is more than the listed max. bomb load on several very solid sources.

You can theoretically load as much lead to an air plane the landing gear can handle but does that mean it can take off safely?

The max. bomb load listed for a WWII Tu-2 by the Soviet sources is 3000kg (6613lbs).

[Arlo]

Well actually 8300lbs is more than the listed max. bomb load on several very solid sources.

You can theoretically load as much lead to an air plane the landing gear can handle but does that mean it can take off safely?

The max. bomb load listed for a WWII Tu-2 by the Soviet sources is 3000kg (6613lbs).

Even with the statistical variability, the 'better is better' method appears to be gasping.