Bf 110c

[nrshida]

like a lot of newer players tend to turn nose down,

He's crammed ten years worth of flying hours into the last two years.

[Midway]

Middy,

  By chance did you look at any of the stats on the 110C?   I think not because if you had you would find your answer.

   The 110c with full flaps turns right inbetween the G2 and F4 109's,thats not too far off what the spits can do. I'm not surprized that Juggler can hand you yours in it because it has nothing to do with the plane but the tactics,and no I'm not talking a bout Jugglers tactics I'm talking about yours!

   I've never had the privilege to fly with Juggler,well maybe I did as another name but that's another subject.However I have flown with you and tried to show you where you were making poor choices with your BFM. You, like a lot of newer players tend to turn nose down,I guess the speed makes you feel secure but if you understand the energy egg the best turns are done nose up,well the tightest turns.

   The 110C is not to be taken lightly, when flown to it's strengths it can give almost any plane a run for the money. Now is this how a real 110C flies,I have no idea as I've never flown 1 and in RL you wouldn't risk doing many of the things we do daily in AH because we dont "DIE".


    

 

[Gixer]

Dastrdly was the best 110c stick in the game imho and could out fly most in anything else if 1v1. Also have to give him credit for flying 110 as sole ride for many years and often lone wolf style play instead of needing a squad as back up.

Some of best 1v1 fights I ever had in yak t were often against his 110c

Certainly miss players of that style and skill compared to endless hordes of uber rides today. Spit 8s esp included.


<S>...-Gixer

[Butcher]

Dasterly was one of the better 110c pilots ive ever seen, after turning with him a few times I refuse to fight a 110c that is anywhere above 10k since it will wear you down and run you off.

[Ack-Ack]

Quit confusing me.

Fact is the Bf110c fights far better in Aces High than it ever could in RL, imho.

No it doesn't nor do you have the data to prove otherwise.

ack-ack

[Midway]

No it doesn't nor do you have the data to prove otherwise.

ack-ack

Read Gixer's post.  Nuff said.

[Ack-Ack]

Read Gixer's post.  Nuff said.

What does Gixer's post have anything to do with proving your point?  The fact is, if a Spitfire driver (any variant) gets out turned or out maneuvered by a Bf 110C/G, then the Spitfire wasn't as experienced as the Bf 110C/G driver or screwed up royally at some point in the fight.

Show some verifiable data that backs up your claim that the Bf 110C is some how over modeled, but I know you won't be able to and will side step the issue because facing the fact you were out flown by Juggler in your Spitfire just hurts your ego too much.  Guys like you are a dime a dozen in this game, they get their arse handed back to them by a far superior player and you immediately cry 'plane over modeled!'.

ack-ack

[GScholz]

Everybody should just stop comparing AH to real life. WWII aerial warfare was nothing like the air-quake fights in the MA.

[Gixer]

Everybody should just stop comparing AH to real life. WWII aerial warfare was nothing like the air-quake fights in the MA.

Couldn't agree more. AH has about as much comparison to aerial warfare as angry birds on my girlfriends ipad.

facing the fact you were out flown by Juggler in your Spitfire just hurts your ego too much. 

ack-ack

 

Even more so when it happens from the seat of any version spit. 


<S>...-Gixer

[icepac]

Spit I, not Spit VIII.

I don't believe the thread starter has yet flown the spit I.

He flies the spit VIII almost exclusively.

[Midway]

Everybody should just stop comparing AH to real life. WWII aerial warfare was nothing like the air-quake fights in the MA.

But HTC tries to make it as real as it can get... with the flight model, that is.  Fact is, the Bf110c shouldn't be as good against a Spitfire as it is, imho.

[Midway]

I don't believe the thread starter has yet flown the spit I.

He flies the spit VIII almost exclusively.

I have flown the Spitfire MK I plenty.  Downed three Lancs and an A20 in one sortie even.

Check before you speak so incorrectly.

[morfiend]

But HTC tries to make it as real as it can get... with the flight model, that is.  Fact is, the Bf110c shouldn't be as good against a Spitfire as it is, imho.

  Why do you say this?  Do you know the corner speeds of both A/C? Do you know the lift and drag coefficients for both A/C? Do you have the rollrate figures at various speeds for both A/C? Unless the answer is yes to all these questions, you really have no idea how they compare.

   However you could use badboys bootstrap calculator and have some clue as to where the flight envelopes over lap and where 1 A/c might have an advantage over the other. Until then,IMHO your humble opinion doesn't amount to much.

  Incase you're wondering why I'm taking this so personal,I fly the 110c a fair bit,I like to use it in training so I think I understand how it flies. One thing you're not considering is the flaps on the 110,they deploy about 40mph before the spit can even drop theirs,if it's even worth doing, and the 110 can gain angles at that speed range. I bet Juggler went up and roll over and killed you from the top down.


   

[Karnak]

Spit VIII in AH eats the Bf110C-4b for lunch, just maybe not in a horizontal turn fight.

That said, I do think the Bf110s are going to come off worse than they are when they get updated, just like the Hurricanes did.

[Midway]

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Unless the answer is yes to all these questions, you really have no idea how they compare.
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This is true.

I only reference the citation in wiki and my awe of what JUGgler did to me on multiple occasions.  The wiki observation does not seem to reconcile with Gixer's comment or my observation of JUGgler's gymnastics. Both being facts,wiki based on real pilots views at the time and my encounter and Gixer's observation.  JUGlgler likes to brag about how he likes to surprise Spitfires with the 110c.   How can that be realistic?