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Offline MiloMorai

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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2013, 03:22:11 PM »
Was the cigar lighter a factory authorized installation?
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2013, 03:35:19 PM »
I would not think so, no ;)
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2013, 03:58:12 PM »
But Crumpp says no modification to an a/c can be done without factory authorization.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2013, 04:39:26 PM »
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2013, 10:07:22 PM »
Quote from: MiloMorai on July 12, 2013, 03:58:12 PM
But Crumpp says no modification to an a/c can be done without factory authorization.

Is Crumpp still around under a different avatar?
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2013, 12:29:49 AM »
Quote from: Megalodon on July 12, 2013, 04:39:26 PM
No

Yes. Well to be fair 56 because 3 are the 152-C models #600001-600002 are listed.


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150158-150174
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2013, 01:38:26 AM »
Quote from: kilo2 on July 13, 2013, 12:29:49 AM
Yes. Well to be fair 56 because 3 are the 152-C models #600001-600002 are listed.


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and A's and E's
to be fair operational and combat are different things... my mistake 12 to 14 in combat..





12 h/0 made it to Erprobungskammando152 for testing

12 to Jg III/301  <---1st mission 12 planes attacked by 109's.. next mission 8 planes  2-4 replacements<protptypes>
20 leveled at Neuhausen waiting to be test flown
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2013, 02:23:23 AM »
Quote from: Megalodon on July 13, 2013, 01:38:26 AM
and A's and E's
to be fair operational and combat are different things... my mistake 12 to 14 in combat..

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12 h/0 made it to Erprobungskammando152 for testing

12 to Jg III/301  <---1st mission 12 planes attacked by 109's.. next mission 8 planes  2-4 replacements<protptypes>
20 leveled at Neuhausen waiting to be test flown

Well that source material omits planes/Wnr. that my source has.

Source is Hitchcock's "Focke-Wulf Ta-152"
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2013, 02:55:44 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on July 12, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
Is Crumpp still around under a different avatar?

Don't think so. He has been absent from the boards he usually visits ever since he got pwnd and banned from the Banana board back in May.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2013, 04:05:54 AM »
Ok...


Oh and he also had a cigar holder for when he was using the oxygen mask. Need that modeled as well...  :aok
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2013, 12:03:27 PM »
Quote from: kilo2 on July 13, 2013, 02:23:23 AM
Well that source material omits planes/Wnr. that my source has.

Source is Hitchcock's "Focke-Wulf Ta-152"
either way show me where they were all in combat...they wern't... I'll move my estimate up to 16 as I have found 2 more<test planes> delivered.

16 planes that were in combat if you can show me more please do. this is about kin to the Arsenal VG33. Only a few aircraft entered service at the end of the Battle of France, but there was not enough of them to constitute a full squadron.

 Its really hard to understand why these planes are in the game with such low numbers 152 and 163  before some of the other planes with much much higher production. I guess its the neeto factor.

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"Focke Wulf 152:Story of the Luftwaffe's high altitude fighter"...Dietmar Harmann

"Focke Wulf TA-152" ........+4 puplications special edition



As far as the 109F karnak got it nerfed, karnak can get it back.

Simple,


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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2013, 12:31:49 PM »
Quote from: Megalodon on July 13, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
As far as the 109F karnak got it nerfed, karnak can get it back.
How did I get it nerfed?  I don't even recall suggesting any changes to it.

You might be able to accuse me with some accuracy on initiating the Spit V being nerfed, but that is all.  As it is a Spit I doubt you care about that.
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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2013, 01:34:37 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on July 13, 2013, 12:31:49 PM
How did I get it nerfed?  I don't even recall suggesting any changes to it.

You might be able to accuse me with some accuracy on initiating the Spit V being nerfed, but that is all.  As it is a Spit I doubt you care about that.

Okay fine get the Vc back.... no reason not to have it now..... and the proper 109F-4 options willl magically reappear...Btw I'm sure the spitfire fans were completly stoked with that move ...I think the main 1 quit shortly after that  :lol ...even if in name only...

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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2013, 04:20:30 PM »
Quote from: Latrobe on July 11, 2013, 09:16:46 AM
Noooooooooo! Why would you do that to such a beautiful aircraft!?  :cry :huh

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Do what? Have more options for it? That would be terrible.... :furious  :mad:



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Re: Bf-109F Ordinance
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2013, 04:59:37 PM »
I have seen some requests for the Spit Vc to be returned, but not real hysterics and blame games. 

I don't think the Spit Vc needs to be returned to the game.  The Spit IX fills the 1942 hole for the Spits just fine.  The only new Spitfire that I think should be added is the Seafire Mk III, of which more than 1200 were built being the main Seafire version.

The new options for the Bf109F-4 and Bf109G-6 as well as a Bf109G-6/AS being added would be great.  Particularly the latter would be a big help for scenarios as there is currently no high altitude Bf109 until the very late war Bf109K-4, which makes American Bomber offensive settings very lopsided.
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