Bf-109F Ordinance

[Debrody]

Another MegaPuke MegaCocky MegaArgueing MegaShizz.
You still think that youre taken seriously?

[Karnak]

If we stick to the thread <G> 240 109F-4/R1 + 600 <or so> 109F-4/B all factory built production planes..840... of what?.. 1600 of the F variant? so ...840 <half of the 109F4's made> vs. 59 Ta-152<karnaks number, which is all 152's made> U tell me.

The number Bf109F-4 using gondolas vs Ta152 production numbers have, I cannot emphasize this enough, literally nothing to do with each other in terms of AH.  It is a completely inane line of thought that completely ignores reality.

Also, where did I say 59 Ta152s were built/used/whatever? You keep accusing me of stuff I didn't say or do.

How long has it been since the change in the scenario management? ......I mean it can't be that hard to switch the options for the 109F4 back on right? How come its not done yet? 

Wanna start again,

I already explained it to you.

You seem to have really weird ideas about who is responsible for what.

[moot]

The 152's not a prototype, it was the 190 that should've been made earlier.  On top of that add German late war circumstances - of course late war models are low volume.  Its production numbers are circumstantially, not purposely, comparable to the P-61's.  The 152 is not... the XF5U or any Luft 46 concept.  It's not even an arguably borderline model like, say, the He 219.

[Karnak]

Erm, how is the He219 less appropriate than the Ta152?

[gyrene81]

i bet there wouldn't be any issue with dumping the 152 if the high alt performance for the other 190s as well as the 109s was improved...no reason for them to struggle at 30,000ft.

[Perrine]

How's this for a deal?

Create a sub variant called Bf-109F-2 with 1200ps as a real contemporary to early birds like the in-game Spitfire V, and then add back bombs and extra guns back to Bf-109F-4 and reclassify that as mid war plane.  Our in-game 109F-4 is basically a mid war plane in respect to power ratings and should be reclassified accordingly.  It only got clearance to use its full pwoer of 1350ps as late as 1942.

[Zoney]

i bet there wouldn't be any issue with dumping the 152 if the high alt performance for the other 190s as well as the 109s was improved...no reason for them to struggle at 30,000ft.

You take that back.  You take that back right NOW !

Dont even think about touching my TA152. 

[gyrene81]

You take that back.  You take that back right NOW !

Dont even think about touching my TA152. 

   

if i could get an a8 to do something but flop around at 30,000...i'd use it more than a 152.

[Karnak]

There is no reason to remove something that has already been added.  It nets us nothing.

[gyrene81]

There is no reason to remove something that has already been added.  It nets us nothing.

been done before, what's the difference now?

[Karnak]

been done before, what's the difference now?

When was an airplane removed?

No, the Bf109G-10 and P-47D-30 were not removed.  We never had them.  We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 to justify giving it 20mm options and a P-47D-40 that was mislabeled as a P-47D-30.

[gyrene81]

When was an airplane removed?

No, the Bf109G-10 and P-47D-30 were not removed.  We never had them.  We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 to justify giving it 20mm options and a P-47D-40 that was mislabeled as a P-47D-30.

so we had a bf109-g10 at one time...and now we don't. seems like it no longer exists...

[Karnak]

so we had a bf109-g10 at one time...and now we don't. seems like it no longer exists...

No, we never had a Bf109G-10, as I said.

We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 to give 20mm options it ought not have had, but it did 452mph like a Bf109K-4, not 426mph like a Bf109G-10.

When the Bf109s were updated the inappropriate and inaccurate hybrid was redone as the Bf109K-4 it had always been.

[MK-84]

   

if i could get an a8 to do something but flop around at 30,000...i'd use it more than a 152.

But isn't that the whole reason for the 152?

[Zacherof]

But isn't that the whole reason for the 152?

that plus HO the pesky spit 16 and p51's