Manned Gun = Man dead

[titanic3]

Not intended as an in your face challenge but I'd really like to see a film of that.

Wiley.

For a small field, I can't imagine it being that hard with something like a 410/B25H/190F8. You can get nearly all of them in safety.

[Wiley]

For a small field, I can't imagine it being that hard with something like a 410/B25H/190F8. You can get nearly all of them in safety.

I have some success going through ack on a base a time or two when I have to, but to deack the whole thing without taking damage seems to me a tall order.

Wiley.

[whiteman]

For a small field, I can't imagine it being that hard with something like a 410/B25H/190F8. You can get nearly all of them in safety.

F4U-1D, small bombs and 8 rockets from a safe distance. thats 10 guns down easy and make sure you take the manned guns and 88's first, the auto ack isn't as dangerous.

[caldera]

Manned guns should count as a death to the person using them, and a kill/victory to the guy shooting them when manned.

It's logical nothing more.

Except for the fact that is ridiculously easy to kill acks with cannon birds or rockets:

Really? when was the last time you shot me down, I cannot actually remember the last time I got shot down by any 37mm? I think it was a proxy after I couldn't be bothered rtbing, again guys sitting in guns shooting at me for 10 minutes. Its actually even quite easy for me to deack a small field single handed including any man guns firing at me and not have a scratch and plenty of ammo?

Maybe I haven't run into the 'uber' pointy clickers yet who knows? 

It is hard to shoot down a good flyer with a field gun but the reverse is child's play.  Give the field gunner a death for their score but how Dolby, can the kill of a field gun equal the kill of a plane or tank?  Seems like that would just encourage even more de-acking and stuff like "Ace51Dog landed two kills (acks) in a 190A8"  This would not improve gameplay, but the vulch crowd could really pad their stats (and egos) while landing 20 kill sorties to great fanfare from their sycophants.

[titanic3]

Except for the fact that is ridiculously easy to kill acks with cannon birds or rockets:


It is hard to shoot down a good flyer with a field gun but the reverse is child's play.  Give the field gunner a death for their score but how Dolby, can the kill of a field gun equal the kill of a plane or tank?  Seems like that would just encourage even more de-acking and stuff like "Ace51Dog landed two kills (acks) in a 190A8"  This would not improve gameplay, but the vulch crowd could really pad their stats (and egos) while landing 20 kill sorties to great fanfare from their sycophants.

Is it really that hard to type .ef the moment a plane points its nose at you?

[LCADolby]

Except for the fact that is ridiculously easy to kill acks with cannon birds or rockets:

It's ridiculously easy for an ack to hit a plane coming straight at it to de-ack it.

Both are easy both deserve kills.

[pervert]

Except for the fact that is ridiculously easy to kill acks with cannon birds or rockets:


It is hard to shoot down a good flyer with a field gun but the reverse is child's play.  Give the field gunner a death for their score but how Dolby, can the kill of a field gun equal the kill of a plane or tank?  Seems like that would just encourage even more de-acking and stuff like "Ace51Dog landed two kills (acks) in a 190A8"  This would not improve gameplay, but the vulch crowd could really pad their stats (and egos) while landing 20 kill sorties to great fanfare from their sycophants.

Ace51Dog must really suck  only 2? Snuggie its like you have forgetten anything I have typed in this thread, go read it back, I couldn't give a stuff about landing anything but air to air kills personally. I am gonna put it in big letters here

I WANT PEOPLE TO STOP WASTING MY TIME SHOOTING AT ME IN 88s AND FIELD GUNS BECAUSE ITS IN GENERAL A WASTE OF BOTH OUR GAMETIME!

[caldera]

Is it really that hard to type .ef the moment a plane points its nose at you?

When you are facing one plane?  No.  When facing two or more with half a brain, Yes.
So, are you ok with tanks towering out as the bombs fall?

It's ridiculously easy for an ack to hit a plane coming straight at it to de-ack it.

Both are easy both deserve kills.

Only noobs fly straight at the gun emplacement.  Those kills are more or less as difficult for both parties.  Anyone with a modicum of de-acking experience knows any cannon shell remotely near the gun will kill it, while the gunner needs a direct hit.  Crab your plane a bit, tap a quick burst and poof.  Field guns are sitting ducks and very easy kills.

Ace51Dog must really suck  only 2? Snuggie its like you have forgetten anything I have typed in this thread, go read it back, I couldn't give a stuff about landing anything but air to air kills personally. I am gonna put it in big letters here

I WANT PEOPLE TO STOP WASTING MY TIME SHOOTING AT ME IN 88s AND FIELD GUNS BECAUSE ITS IN GENERAL A WASTE OF BOTH OUR GAMETIME!

Stop yelling at me.  I was answering Dolby, if you actually read the paragraph.  I simply used your post to illustrate my point. 
As for shooting at you: if you are near the field, you will be shot at.  I am not going to up under an enemy cap.  That would be a waste of my time, to become easy score padding fodder for cherry pickers.

P.S.  I will only use the 88 on very rare occasions, as I get about the same number of direct shell hits as puffy kills. 
If your fighter gets hit with an 88 - that's either bad luck or total lack of SA.

[LCADolby]

Only noobs fly straight at the gun emplacement.  Those kills are more or less as difficult for both parties.  Anyone with a modicum of de-acking experience knows any cannon shell remotely near the gun will kill it, while the gunner needs a direct hit.  Crab your plane a bit, tap a quick burst and poof.  Field guns are sitting ducks and very easy kills.

Not everyone is in a cannon armed aircraft, what about them? Kills should go to both parties; manned gun and pilot killing a manned gun.

Otherwise if favours the gunner, who loses nothing.

Both are easy to kill, gunner and aircraft.

Giving me a written lesson in de-acking doesn't help because a gunner will counteract the crab and still kill the plane... Your argument is moot.

[lyric1]

Not everyone is in a cannon armed aircraft, what about them? Kills should go to both parties; manned gun and pilot killing a manned gun.

Otherwise if favours the gunner, who loses nothing.

Both are easy to kill, gunner and aircraft.

Giving me a written lesson in de-acking doesn't help because a gunner will counteract the crab and still kill the plane... Your argument is moot.

Only issue I have with cannon armed aircraft is that they only have to hit any where within a fairly large radius(especially 30MM) or so & the gun is toast. Make it the rounds have to land in the pit at least.

[whiteman]

Not everyone is in a cannon armed aircraft, what about them? Kills should go to both parties; manned gun and pilot killing a manned gun.

Otherwise if favours the gunner, who loses nothing.

Both are easy to kill, gunner and aircraft.

Giving me a written lesson in de-acking doesn't help because a gunner will counteract the crab and still kill the plane... Your argument is moot.

the amount of times i've been killed by a manned gun deacking in F4U's and F6F's i can count on one hand for the year. You're over estimating the skill of most the people in them. On the other hand I'd have to look at the achievements to see the ridiculous amount of ack guns I've destroyed, most with .50 cals.

[Zoney]

This is not difficult to understand.  No matter what you are in, if you can kill me in an airplane, I should be rewarded with killing you when I do.

88's don't risk ever going on someone's kill board.

[whiteman]

seeing as there is no reward for softgun kills besides a name in lights, i see no reason for a rewarded kill. This looks like a complete stat padding wish.

[Babalonian]

I would like all manned guns to be counted as a death if they are destroyed with a player using one, not that I consider them a great threat it just seems combat should involve a chance of death and quite a few see this as a way of avoiding combat which is in turn bad for gameplay ie combat in a combat sim.

I wouldn't want it counted as a landable kill for the guy in the plane shooting it though.

The whole enchilada doesn't make sense to me (and lookin through this thread, I don't seem to be alone):

-The AAA gunner risks nothing but gains nothing, but is still participating (sometimes with notable impact) in combat with others who are.
-The AAA gunner lands his kills in lights, despite the reason for retreating to the tower (death, no ammo, victory (enemy retreat), enemy captured field, etc.).
-The "targets" for the AAA gunner can choose not to participate with them (fly/drive away... futile since the player can quickly move to the new target/base), but if they do and then get shot down by a player-manned AAA, the established logic seems to be "shame on them for NOT AVOIDING that fight/field/situation".  This just seems wrong/broken to me.  Why do we never see/hear from the pilots and GV drivers in country or 200 about the shortsightedness of the involved AAA gunners on the ground? 
-The level of impact/power a risk-less shore battery or 8" gunner can have against those involved in riskier activities in the imediate area is a bit askewed (we can disable them and knock them out before they present a problem, but that's a risk investment.  one or a few players could be on standby to take it down if it respawns and before it does any major damage, but that's a risk investment for them, especialy as they loiter heavy (ac) or stationary (gvs) in a very hot/active combat area.  I see some logic when it's riskless shore batteries vs riskless 8"ers in a duel - but their impact is so very rarely limited to only other riskless player activities in that imediate area.)

And more but similar.  Not so much a problem as it is a square peg in the round hole - it just doesn't seem to be fitting where it should.

I don't think counting manned-AAA kills as landable would do any good alone to fix this, but if it plays a part then so be it.


Keep that Dora time high Pervert.

[Zoney]

seeing as there is no reward for softgun kills besides a name in lights, i see no reason for a rewarded kill. This looks like a complete stat padding wish.

What no award?  How about the reward that he gets to kill someone?  Is not the kill itself an award?  Of course it is.