Bf109 G14 issues

[Denniss]

There were even manuals printed for a MK 108 gondola Rüstsatz but I have yet to see evidence it was ever used except on Prototype installations/mock-ups.
All G-14 had the DB 605AM engine, the G-14/AS used the various marks of the DB 605AS, ASB is probably just another designation for the earlier AS to seperate it from the C3-powered ASC.

[morfiend]

IIRC, the K4 is a 'low-alt' model of the K-series 109 (being a relative term with the K's), as well as being a standard K-4, as opposed to a specialized high-alt version (odd-numbered 109's are high-altitude versions as well).

 There were no High alt K4's it was a standard version with a FTH around 24K,the G10 arrived after the K4's and were made of mostly repaired G6's and 14's. Both the G6 and G14's came with the various motor that EagleDNY mentioned.

   Most but not all odd numbered 109's were pressurized,which apparently didn't work that great do to leaks.



  

[Karnak]

I've always wondered why HTC chose to only model the low altitude 109's.

I don't know.  I am curious as well.

Was it that the G-10 used to fill the place of the earlier high-altitude 109's  in scenarios?

No, it really wasn't a Bf109G-10.  It was a Bf109K-4 with the same exact performance chart as the Bf109K-4 has in AH right now, top speed of 452mph and all.  In AH1 HTC simply called in a Bf109G-10 so they could put 20mm and gondola option on it.  In AH2 they decided they wanted a greater degree of accuracy so they removed those options and correctly labeled it a Bf109K-4.

There really has never been a high altitude Bf109 in AH.  I really hope that gets addressed someday.

Once the AH1 models have all been updated I would like to see the "core" (i.e. famous) WWII aircraft get updated from their older AH2 models to current levels.  I'd consider the B-17, B-24, Bf109s, Fw190s, P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and Spitfire to be those core aircraft.  That would be the ideal point to see some additional models added such as the frequently requested A-36, B-17F, B-24D, Bf109E-7, Bf109G-6/AS, Bf109G-10, Fw190A-3, Fw190A-6, Fw190A-9, P-38H, P-47C-5, P-47D-23, P-51A, Seafire Mk III, Spitfire Mk II and Spitfire Mk XII.

[Tank-Ace]

That maybe so but it is still more than able to hold it's own in a fight at high altitude against almost anything else in the plane set.

And? We still can't use it in any special events set before late 1944.

Besides that, we still have none of the high altitude 109s modeled, regardless of the K4's inherent capabilities at alt.

[SIK1]

And? We still can't use it in any special events set before late 1944.

Besides that, we still have none of the high altitude 109s modeled, regardless of the K4's inherent capabilities at alt.

 

[Devil 505]

Let me put into perspective for you. Not having an AS powered 109 would be like not having any Corsair between the F4U-1 and the U-4. There are very limited special events where the U-4 would be used - and rightly so; but that means you USN guys would be hamstrung by the limited capabilities of the F4U-1 in events where you should have -1A's or -1D's.

While not a perfect analogy, I hope you see the point.

[jeffdn]

Let me put into perspective for you. Not having an AS powered 109 would be like not having any Corsair between the F4U-1 and the U-4. There are very limited special events where the U-4 would be used - and rightly so; but that means you USN guys would be hamstrung by the limited capabilities of the F4U-1 in events where you should have -1A's or -1D's.

While not a perfect analogy, I hope you see the point.

Furthermore, the Ta-152 is really the only German fighter we have that's still good at 30,000 ft. There are several that can operate up there, but they're not meant to.

[LCADolby]

G14/AS was the higher altitude G14 yes.

[jeffdn]

G14/AS was the higher altitude G14 yes.

...that has been firmly established.

[Karnak]

Furthermore, the Ta-152 is really the only German fighter we have that's still good at 30,000 ft. There are several that can operate up there, but they're not meant to.

What other German fighters were designed for operations above 30,000ft?On the Allied side I can only think of P-47s and some low production versions of the Spitfire.  Not a lot of WWII fighters weren't well past critical altitude by the time they reached 30,000ft.

[jeffdn]

What other German fighters were designed for operations above 30,000ft?On the Allied side I can only think of P-47s and some low production versions of the Spitfire.  Not a lot of WWII fighters weren't well past critical altitude by the time they reached 30,000ft.

Oh, I know. I just meant that those that we have currently are pretty terrible up that high for the most part. The higher-altitude models of some of them may still be past their critical altitude, but not by as high a margin as our existing stable of fighters. For instance, the G14 currently is awful at 30,000 feet, but increase its critical altitude from 17,000 to 24,600, and it'll have a much better chance up there.

[Karnak]

Oh, I know. I just meant that those that we have currently are pretty terrible up that high for the most part. The higher-altitude models of some of them may still be past their critical altitude, but not by as high a margin as our existing stable of fighters. For instance, the G14 currently is awful at 30,000 feet, but increase its critical altitude from 17,000 to 24,600, and it'll have a much better chance up there.

That I agree with.  We need at least one earlier Bf109 with a critical altitude in the mid or high 20s.  Yes, the P-47s will still rule the roost, but that is historical.  The degree to which they rule is just too large right now.  And the P-51s and Spitfires IX and XIV just pile on the already lopsided situation.

[jeffdn]

That I agree with.  We need at least one earlier Bf109 with a critical altitude in the mid or high 20s.  Yes, the P-47s will still rule the roost, but that is historical.  The degree to which they rule is just too large right now.  And the P-51s and Spitfires IX and XIV just pile on the already lopsided situation.

Hear, hear! My thoughts exactly. Now, HTC -- pretty please? 

[Perrine]

So let me get this... there were 2 types of G-14s made to suit 2 fronts?

Pretty much the rule of thumb is that West front = strategic, hi-alt ; and East front = tactical, low-mid alt.
So that means G-14/AS is optimized against western allied air force and our current G-14 seems optimized for low alt air superiority against the likes of La-7 and Yak-3?

[Tank-Ace]

So let me get this... there were 2 types of G-14s made to suit 2 fronts?

Pretty much the rule of thumb is that West front = strategic, hi-alt ; and East front = tactical, low-mid alt.
So that means G-14/AS is optimized against western allied air force and our current G-14 seems optimized for low alt air superiority against the likes of La-7 and Yak-3?

No, they produced a high altitude version for high altitude work, which happened to be primarily, but not exclusively, on the Western Front.