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Offline Arlo

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2013, 01:52:55 AM »


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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2013, 06:33:49 AM »
I would caution against the use of rose tinted glasses when fondly recounting the game play of yester years.

My observation is that

HOing
Horde'ing
Pork and auger/suicide
Hit and Run & Run & Run
Etc
Etc
Etc
Etc.

Is no greater (by any significant degree)than it has been over the years.

Indeed the NOE raids are lesser and I remember HOing even happening in AW where it was a complete waste of time.

Equally BBS lobbying via certain facets of the " community" for individuals to adopt a style of game play conducive to the lobbyists preference is equally prevalent. That this has had little or no real effect on game play ( despite Bustr's story regarding the mystery player) is evidenced by the fact that the whi.... lobbying is still to be seen here.
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2013, 08:24:39 AM »
Base capturing is fine. It creates an objective, and due to the competitive nature of some in the game, they feel the need to defend. that equals action, which I'm all about.  :aok

When a horde gets rolling, those that care about score disappear from the defending base leave a hand full of die-hards to get creamed, as multiple bases get rolled.  That's usually when the whining starts.

I think WILEY has it right, the MA is like herding cats. No one wants to be lead, but base capturing (and defending) takes a plan. But who is making one? Who is in charge? No one.

So If some squad or group or horde forms up and have ANY kind of organization, they can roll the whole map. I can't stop them by myself, so I find a away to find to targets and do my part.

Roll on.  :salute
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2013, 08:28:44 AM »
I say go back to capture by landing :)

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2013, 08:53:07 AM »
I say go back to capture by landing :)


Calling some of the captures I saw landing is generous.   More like shed parts till you stopped sliding.   :devil
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #80 on: August 19, 2013, 03:00:33 PM »
Humm I have something to say about this. I'm just trying to clear my head enough to say it.
Bish= organized base take missions every day (granted the same lame ac over and over again)
Rook= Best fighter pilots in the game which hinders base take missions for rook side
Knight= A little bit of both but lacks a team leader.

Basically my money is on bish hell 20, 14 year olds can beat up a healthy single 25 year old. (used as a example not a cut down to the bish)

Game is as much about strategy as it is about personally glory. Personally if I was the guy leading 20 players to capture base after base I would be just as proud as I would landing 8 kills in a FM2.
:airplane: Now you know how I feel every night! I had much rather lead a group of Rooks and Devil Dogs and capture 5 to 10 bases as shoot down 5 what evers in a FM2! I get a lot of satisfaction leading a good bunch of guys on base captures and you sir,  :salute , are among that group I am referring to!
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #81 on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:57 PM »
The more acrimonious the self defense, the stronger and more inflexible support of artificial rules of play in a game with no rules of play. The supporters of this will also be the vocal abusers of others in the community sowing discordant feelings rather than playing the game as created with no rules. You need rules to justify the assumed right to defend the status quo by abusing others in it's name. "Community" or the "Collective" or the "Mob" is then used as the source for the right where no rules of play are needed.

In the process a secondary game is created based upon verbal abuse as an unintended consequence. Taken advantage of for the pure enjoyment of abusing others under the guise of defending the "Community" rules of game play in a game with no rules. Enforcement with no rules to how one enforces is intoxicating. Rules for thee but not for me because I am one with the "Collective".

If you are on the side of the "Community", you get to hang innocent men for not adhering to an artificial orthodoxy in a game with no rules. The worst attributes of men become virtuous rules in the defense of "Community" when no outside force limits it.

When a new customer reads his fair use contract, there is no stipulation or warning, that upon entering the arena he will have to follow an arbitrary orthodoxy or become the target of vile verbal abuse(lynch mob) from members of a "Community" who see their $14.95 collective as superior to his $14.95 singular. In the eyes of the "Community" no single individual or lesser group is equal. This is the unintended consequence of a no rules system. Rule by Mob instead of all men are created equal under the law. Seems the real and virtual realms of human rights sever ties after the login.

Today, Missions = Bad, as a result of a poorly delivered message from the "Collective" in it's efforts to lynch the Devils Rejects for violating it's arbitrary orthodoxy. No where legally codified in the fair use contract each player accepts from Hitech Creations Inc..

The orthodoxy has become the bed rock of reality by constraining the group into a narrow focus of predictable rule actions, regardless of the unintended consequences to fun or the future in the game.
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #82 on: August 19, 2013, 06:15:41 PM »
Ok,  which one of you put Bustr on repeat?
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2013, 06:21:45 PM »
It helps flush the self appointed defenders of the orthodoxy out of the shadows.

In the process a secondary game is created based upon verbal abuse as an unintended consequence. Taken advantage of for the pure enjoyment of abusing others under the guise of defending the "Community" rules of game play in a game with no rules. Enforcement with no rules to how one enforces is intoxicating. Rules for thee but not for me because I am one with the "Collective".
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2013, 07:09:09 PM »
How and why do members of the orthodoxy hide in the shadows?  If they're members of the established norm, couldn't they just hang out by the pool and stuff?  

The secondary game of verbal abuse would exist whether people were playing like you want them to or not.  Verbal abuse to some is smack talk to others.  The only reason you don't like this smack talk is it hits close to home with how you like to operate.    

I've given you the pearls O' wisdom to defeat the orthodoxy.  Use those pearls and HO, horde, and run your way to the happiness you once knew.    

P.S. - Why are we responding directly to each other yet not quoting what we're responding to?  Is this a subtle tactic to throw off your opponent?  If so, it's terrible.  I'm gonna have to consult the orthodoxy leaders about this.
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2013, 07:16:40 PM »
In the process a secondary game is created based upon verbal abuse as an unintended consequence. Taken advantage of for the pure enjoyment of abusing others under the guise of defending the "Community" rules of game play in a game with no rules. Enforcement with no rules to how one enforces is intoxicating. Rules for thee but not for me because I am one with the "Collective".
bustr - POTW 1st Wing


This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2013, 07:17:42 PM »
Get a room you two.  :D

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2013, 07:18:56 PM »
I still can't figure out where he gets this "missions=bad" thing?

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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2013, 07:28:01 PM »
It's not taken advantage of for the pure enjoyment, though.  Those of us hired to defend the orthodoxy are required to do it.  I don't like making fun of you.  It's my job.

At any rate, it would be fun to see you engage in verbal volleys on 200 since you ignore my pearls O' wisdom.  The resistance needs a voice.  All you have to do is figure out how to make your jabs fit into the text buffer.

 
 
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Re: Anatomy of the Base Capture
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2013, 09:19:13 PM »
There has never been a need for rules in this game if every player respected that each player's choices to achieve happiness are as valid and equal as all other players. A very grand expectation by it's creator knowing human nature.

Where we decide to see a void we try to fill it with what? Most often an orthodoxy which grows of it's own accord and unintended consequences that have to be forced upon anyone unwilling to accept it. In our case community pressure and character harassment.

After 12-13 years this orthodoxy and it's unintended consequences justified it's members to violate the rights of a smaller group of players. By branding their choices to achieve happiness based on the expectations of what they were paying for as anathema ending with a virtual lynching. You failed to respect their right to play the game by it's single rule. No rules. The fountain source of all unpredictable activity in the Main Unlimited Arena. Rules force compliance, compliance forces predictability. Predictability fosters boredom or a stratified cast system that leverages it as a status quo and abuses others to maintain it. The HO makes everyone equal in that nanosecond of unpredictability. The NOE mission makes your intentions unpredictable until located or you choose to reveal yourself. Hitech fully well knows human nature and how the NOE would turn out where combat avoidance was concerned. He only tweeked the coad making the NOE harder to perform by newer players leaving the primary rule alone. No rules.

The orthodoxy cannot abide either and hung an innocent group of men for using both with abandon in it's violation of the primary rule. Wonder why Hitech once mentioned squads were not something he really liked?   
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.