Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.

[LCADolby]

Playing stupid is just using your current argument.

Perk plane haves the same rules, effectiveness = ENY and perk price.

[artik]

Several notes about Yak-3

It has good but not superior acceleration:

Aircraft	150-200mph	200-250mph	250-300mph
La 7	7.9	11.3	16.6
109K	7.9	11.1	17.1
Spit XIV	7.7	11.2	18.5
190D	8.6	12.3	19.0
Yak-3	8.6	12.2	20.8
Typhoon	10.2	14.0	20.9
P-51D	10.0	14.1	22.6
P-38L	9.7	13.9	25.9

It has fair speed (on the deck) but far from being in the top:

La-7 ~ 380 mph
190D ~ 375
P-51D, Typhoon, 109K ~ ~370 mph
Spit-14 ~ 360 mph
Yak - 350 mph

It has very good but not outstanding climb rate:

Spit-14 ~ 4700
109K ~ 4600
La-7  ~ 4500
190D, Yak-3 ~ 4100

It has fairly good turn ratio but it would not out-turn most fighters AFAIK even Spit-14 would out-turn it.

It dives well but still Dora, and Mustang have better high speed handling.

It has poor weapon and poor range.

It is does not have very strong airframe like of Jug or F6F.

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However:

(a) it is very forgiving aircraft  - it handles very well - much better than Pony, Dora of 109K, you can prevent spins easily before they begin..
(b) it is very good all round view
(c) it feels like it does not bleed energy too much even in high g turns
(d) Also it has poor ammo - it has no coverage issues allowing you to do sniper shots up to 600 yards (if the target is trying just to run)


So the combination of its fair speed, acceleration, climb and handling makes it quite amazing aircraft that feels very well.

[Karnak]

Playing stupid is just using your current argument.

Perk plane haves the same rules, effectiveness = ENY and perk price.

Ok, you need it spelled out.

Perk planes have their ENY set where it is likely to be if they were not perked.  It is obvious that the usage of the Me262, Tempest, F4U-4 and F4U-1C would be vastly higher if they were not constrained by their perk prices.

It is obvious, looking at ENY values, that impact on the MA is the guiding principal and usage is one such measure of impact.  Claims that usage is not part of ENY is a constant refrain of the P-51D fans futilely trying to get the P-51D's ENY raised by pointing out how much better than the P-51D all sorts of other fighters are.

[Butcher]

Playing stupid is just using your current argument.

Perk plane haves the same rules, effectiveness = ENY and perk price.

And the 262 is one of the fastest planes in the game, with a good climb rate, excellent dive speed, excellent guns that can shred any fighter with 1 hit and few hits on a bomber.

Take up a Yak3 and see if you can even manage to bring down 3 B17s with a decent gunner, its barely likely you can, mean while I've seen 262s bring down almost 20 in one sortie.

[LCADolby]

It is obvious, looking at ENY values, that impact on the MA is the guiding principal 

Effectiveness is impact.

[LCADolby]

And the 262 is one of the fastest planes in the game, with a good climb rate, excellent dive speed, excellent guns that can shred any fighter with 1 hit and few hits on a bomber.

Take up a Yak3 and see if you can even manage to bring down 3 B17s with a decent gunner, its barely likely you can, mean while I've seen 262s bring down almost 20 in one sortie.

"Reductio ad absurdum"

[Karnak]

As to capability, look at some of the higher ENY aircraft.  Do you really think the Mosquito Mk VI, with quad centerline Hispanos (175rpg), 2000lbs of bombs and 357mph on the deck is a 30 ENY based on capability?  My post which prompted the recent ENY value changes to a number of aircraft included a suggestion to reduce the Mosquito's ENY value.  HTC made changes to all the other aircraft I mentioned to look out of place, but not the Mosquito.

Table with top 13 planes + Mosquito Mk VI:

Plane	Kills	Deaths	K/D Ratio	ENY
P-51D	12104	9401	1.29	5
Spitfire Mk XVI	6868	6066	1.13	5
La-7	6720	5089	1.32	5
F6F-5	5256	5490	0.96	12
N1K2	5043	4739	1.06	8
Fw 190D-9	6088	3590	1.70	12
Bf 109K-4	4750	3487	1.36	15
F4u-1A	4321	3033	1.42	12
P-47M	4620	2689	1.72	8
F4U-1D	3878	4826	0.80	9
Ki-84-Ia	4366	2791	1.56	20
A-20G	3669	2747	1.34	15
Yak-3	3607	2587	1.39	18
Mosquito Mk VI	2096	1602	1.31	30

[ntrudr]

Looking at your table and Artik's post I think the Yak3 should be an eny 10 plane.  It performs to well to be an 18.

As to capability, look at some of the higher ENY aircraft.  Do you really think the Mosquito Mk VI, with quad centerline Hispanos (175rpg), 2000lbs of bombs and 357mph on the deck is a 30 ENY based on capability?  My post which prompted the recent ENY value changes to a number of aircraft included a suggestion to reduce the Mosquito's ENY value.  HTC made changes to all the other aircraft I mentioned to look out of place, but not the Mosquito.

Table with top 13 planes + Mosquito Mk VI:

Plane	Kills	Deaths	K/D Ratio	ENY
P-51D	12104	9401	1.29	5
Spitfire Mk XVI	6868	6066	1.13	5
La-7	6720	5089	1.32	5
F6F-5	5256	5490	0.96	12
N1K2	5043	4739	1.06	8
Fw 190D-9	6088	3590	1.70	12
Bf 109K-4	4750	3487	1.36	15
F4u-1A	4321	3033	1.42	12
P-47M	4620	2689	1.72	8
F4U-1D	3878	4826	0.80	9
Ki-84-Ia	4366	2791	1.56	20
A-20G	3669	2747	1.34	15
Yak-3	3607	2587	1.39	18
Mosquito Mk VI	2096	1602	1.31	30

[Karnak]

Looking at your table and Artik's post I think the Yak3 should be an eny 10 plane.  It performs to well to be an 18.

And the Mossie?  ENY 30 based on capability?

Turns better than a P-51D, only 10mph slower, climbs as well at low altitude, much better firepower.

You get six perk points for killing a P-51D with a Mossie and 0.1667 perk points for killing a Mossie with a P-51D.  I love fighting P-51s with the Mossie.

[ntrudr]

And the Mossie?  ENY 30 based on capability?

Turns better than a P-51D, only 10mph slower, climbs as well at low altitude, much better firepower.

You get six perk points for killing a P-51D with a Mossie and 0.1667 perk points for killing a Mossie with a P-51D.  I love fighting P-51s with the Mossie.

You have a good point with the Mossie, I have only upped it once and got 3 quick kills.  But the Yak3 is soooo much harder to kill.

[LCADolby]

The mossie isn't exactly effective. It's a huge target. Comparisons to the P38 which is 25 ENY compared to the Mossies 30... Reduction in the Mossie would mean a reduction in the P38.

[Karnak]

The mossie isn't exactly effective. It's a huge target. Comparisons to the P38 which is 25 ENY compared to the Mossies 30... Reduction in the Mossie would mean a reduction in the P38.

Which P-38 is 25?  Not the L.

Mossie spanks the G.

Certainly I am not arguing that the Mossie is ENY 5 or 10, but it is a damn sight better than the P-40N.

[LCADolby]

P40s are terrible aircraft,  ENY doesn't go high enough for them. 

[Karnak]

P40s are terrible aircraft,  ENY doesn't go high enough for them. 

Yes, but the P-40N and Mosquito Mk VI are both ENY 30 last I saw.

[dedalos]

Silly question but how does a planes ENY effect you?  You will still be facing the same plane and same pilots no?  How does a number change anything for you when you against a yak3?