Now that the Yak3 has been here a couple weeks.

[Karnak]

Mossie
Top Speed = 384mph at 13,000ft, 357mph on the deck
Armament  =
Package 1    4x .303 MG, 500 rounds/gun
                 4x 20mm cannons, 150 rounds/gun
Package 2    4x .303 MG, 780 rounds/gun
                 4x 20mm cannons, 175 rounds/gun Total firepower equal to about 13 Browning M2 .50 cals and all of it mounted centerline.
Options    4x 500lb bombs or 2x 500lb bombs and 8x60lb rockets Either of which it carries with far more aplomb than the P-490N with any bomb
                 2x 250lb bombs
                 8x rockets
                 2x 50 gallon drop tanks
                 2x 100 gallon drop tanks: On internal fuel it has probably three times the range

P40N
Top Speed = 350 mph
Armament = Not on the website. but IIRC....
                 6x.50cal 1800 rounds confirm?
                 3x500 lb bombs confirm?

                  On paper that might end up a draw at ENY 30.

It sure doesn't look like a draw to me.

Imagine two sides in AH, one only with Mossie VIs and C-47s and the other only with P-40Ns and C-47s.  Which side wins?

[Schen]

An opinion is not necissarly fact. In this instance my opinion was based on how i like to fly the ki. My far plane. With how quickly you can go from 450 to 500  in a ki don't feel its a great place to be or fight in. That being said it is my opinn the ki is useless above 450. And 300+ in the ki i find her heavy on the controls  hence the term pig. I also feel the need to state that some belittle and bash too quickly on the game. Newer players are afraid to post our opinions or insites yes im new only been playing on and off a few months. Some  Afraid to get jumped on instead of corrected and set right. Also this will probably be my only retort those that fly with me know me to be respectful 98% of he time.

Sorry for the rant and slight derailment.

That is all i expect no one to change and continue to be bashe'd but spoke because i finally felt the need.

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An opinion is not necissarly fact. In this instance my opinion was based on how i like to fly the ki. My far plane. With how quickly you can go from 450 to 500  in a ki don't feel its a great place to be or fight in. That being said it is my opinn the ki is useless above 450. And 300+ in the ki i find her heavy on the controls  hence the term pig. I also feel the need to state that some belittle and bash too quickly on the game. Newer players are afraid to post our opinions or insites yes im new only been playing on and off a few months. Some  Afraid to get jumped on instead of corrected and set right. Also this will probably be my only retort those that fly with me know me to be respectful 98% of he time.

Sorry for the rant and slight derailment.

That is all i expect no one to change and continue to be bashe'd but spoke because i finally felt the need.

no bashing at all....Like I said in response to your PM....don't expect sugar coating from me....I didn't insult you in any way....

the KI is far from being a "pig" that is the 47(you should ask the guy who thought the 47 could fight the KI on even terms ).....the Ki is an elegant dancer that can dance with the best of them...and most often come out on top fighting the others fight.....IE stall fighting with Brewster's....fast knife fights with 190's......ECT ECT

the only thing it can not do is run away......but it is more then fast enough to catch a 190 or 51 that tries to run if you are close when they start to run....if you cant catch them and kill em quick they will get away...but as soon as I see someone try to run if I am not close I just don't follow.... I know it does not handle as good as the speed demons at high speed.

[Karnak]

Turn off combat trim and it doesn't get heavy until well after 400mph.


That said, it is still better balanced than the Yak-3 as the Ki-84 is capable of participating in all aspects of the game, being in many respects a Japanese P-51D.  Long range, good performance, good speed, bombs and decent guns.  As an all round package the Yak-3 just can't compete, though it is a very nice duelist's fighter.

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Turn off combat trim and it doesn't get heavy until well after 400mph.


That said, it is still better balanced than the Yak-3 as the Ki-84 is capable of participating in all aspects of the game, being in many respects a Japanese P-51D.  Long range, good performance, good speed, bombs and decent guns.  As an all round package the Yak-3 just can't compete, though it is a very nice duelist's fighter.

the second part I wholeheartedly agree...

 I have combat trim on....I tried it with it off and didn't really notice a difference....I may not have given it enough time to truly test it though.  now a days it seems pointless due to most not actually fighting and pushing the limits of the planes.

[Butcher]

Turn off combat trim and it doesn't get heavy until well after 400mph.


That said, it is still better balanced than the Yak-3 as the Ki-84 is capable of participating in all aspects of the game, being in many respects a Japanese P-51D.  Long range, good performance, good speed, bombs and decent guns.  As an all round package the Yak-3 just can't compete, though it is a very nice duelist's fighter.

Karnak, one thing thats interesting is I can fly the hell out of a P38J, not Lightning in a bottle good, but I can hold my own thanks to guys like Baloo. I couldn't fly a Mossy for anything, one thing is its great for perk building, however I just can't survive in it.
I don't believe a Mossy should be 30 eny, maybe 20 or lower because of those damn lasers on the front (but thats just me).

Reason I say it, with the cockpit view I can fly like a tie fighter and in a reverse merge I can saw a wing off no problem, simply its easy to get kills in a mossy, its just hard to live in one.

Compared to the P40N? I'd be a mossy driver or at least attempt to fly one.

[Karnak]

I've had one Mossie vs P-40N encounter that I can recall.  I don't recall the guy's name (wasn't one of the famous in the community guys) and no idea how good he might be.  I was low and slowish in a melee when a P-40N screamed in on me, I cut inside his turn, put my nose up and blew him apart.  The thing that surprised me was that even with all his smash and me starting slowish, and after a mere 180 degree turn, he was already slower than my Mossie and unable to escape in a turning climb like he tried.  I don't know if he chopped throttle or not though.

This may have colored my opinion on the relative balance of the two more that it ought to have, but to me the Mossie and P-40N are in entirely different leagues in terms of capability.

I do agree the Mossie is harder to survive in than most fighters.

[Reaper90]

I've had one Mossie vs P-40N encounter that I can recall.  I don't recall the guy's name (wasn't one of the famous in the community guys) and no idea how good he might be.  I was low and slowish in a melee when a P-40N screamed in on me, I cut inside his turn, put my nose up and blew him apart.  The thing that surprised me was that even with all his smash and me starting slowish, and after a mere 180 degree turn, he was already slower than my Mossie and unable to escape in a turning climb like he tried.  I don't know if he chopped throttle or not though.

This may have colored my opinion on the relative balance of the two more that it ought to have, but to me the Mossie and P-40N are in entirely different leagues in terms of capability.

I do agree the Mossie is harder to survive in than most fighters.

You haven't run into someone who's really good in a P-40 yet, then. I've come across a few that made me say to myself "WTF?!?! how did he do that?"

[dedalos]

You haven't run into someone who's really good in a P-40 yet, then. I've come across a few that made me say to myself "WTF?!?! how did he do that?"

some one good can set up a trap and if you fall in it he will kill you.  It does not make the p40 a good plane 

[Fulcrum]

I do agree the Mossie is harder to survive in than most fighters.

  this.

Mossies is super fun....but agree its extremely hard to land kills in.  Not "A6M hard"*.......but hard.


*This past month I'd   when I managed to land kills after a huge furball....and I can tell you I did less dancing than the pug-ugly wall-huggers on Prom Night.    

[Karnak]

this.

Mossies is super fun....but agree its extremely hard to land kills in.  Not "A6M hard"*.......but hard.


*This past month I'd   when I managed to land kills after a huge furball....and I can tell you I did less dancing than the pug-ugly wall-huggers on Prom Night.    

Its not taht hard.   I've landed a good number of Mossie sorties.

On the other hand, I don't think I have landed a single one of my rare P-40 sorties.  That thing is a death trap because it can't egress and it is out fought by dozens of other aircraft in a melee.

[Schen]

Thanks again the constructive criticism is better.

[Fulcrum]

Its not taht hard.   I've landed a good number of Mossie sorties.

Yes.  You did. 

Think "average" player or, in my case, "below average to just plain awful". 

Ahhh...the profound truth of and sadness I feel after that last statement....

[Zacherof]

no bashing at all....Like I said in response to your PM....don't expect sugar coating from me....I didn't insult you in any way....

the KI is far from being a "pig" that is the 47(you should ask the guy who thought the 47 could fight the KI on even terms ).....the Ki is an elegant dancer that can dance with the best of them...and most often come out on top fighting the others fight.....IE stall fighting with Brewster's....fast knife fights with 190's......ECT ECT

the only thing it can not do is run away......but it is more then fast enough to catch a 190 or 51 that tries to run if you are close when they start to run....if you cant catch them and kill em quick they will get away...but as soon as I see someone try to run if I am not close I just don't follow.... I know it does not handle as good as the speed demons at high speed.

47 is in a totally different class than the ki.  Ink i need to through my 47N at your ki one day

[Karnak]

Ok, I got online and checked ENYs.  The P-40N is actually an ENY 35.

P-40C = ENY 40
P-40E = ENY 40
P-40F = ENY 40
P-40N = ENY 35

Per HTC, P-40s aren't very capable.    Perhaps we need ENY to go to 50 just for the P-40s as there is a distinct difference in capability between the C and E/F.  P-40C = ENY 50, P-40E = ENY 45, P-40F = ENY 40, P-40N = ENY 35.


The ENY 30 list is:

Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2
Bf109G-6
Brewster B-239
La-5FN
Mosquito Mk VI

The Me410 and Sea Hurricane Mk I are both ENY 25.  Not sure they are more capable than most of those ENY 30 fighters.