The K4 and gun pods

[MiloMorai]

See post #28 for a summary of neabau 109s from Jan 1944,
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=2462&page=3&highlight=neubau+109

[Tank-Ace]

If they had no cowl humps, and used the K4's engine, would that essentially make them K4's with 20mm's?

Or were there other aerodynamic differences as well?

[GScholz]

Messerschmitt Foundation's G-10

[Zacherof]

Messerschmitt Foundation's G-10


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God that's sexy

[GScholz]

There is little or no appreciable difference between a G-10, G-14/AS or a K-4 in 1945 production models. The same paneling and external parts are used. The tail wheel on K models were locked down and closed over, just like on a G-10. Even the oil fillers are in the same spot, because the ASB(M) engine uses the DB engine main block and heads, only difference is supercharger.

The differences are more noticeable around October 1944 when early G-10s combine G-6 surplus parts/tooling with as many K-4 components as was available. The G-10 was always the equivalent to the contemporary K-4, usually just a bit lighter because the K series has a lot more optional fittings installed at the factory.

[Tank-Ace]

How much weight are we talking? Would it be reasonable to put the 20mm back in the K4?

[LCADolby]

Messerschmitt Foundation's G-10


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AHs K4 doesn't have that gun bulge, which is a shame.

[GScholz]

It does. It's just not as clearly defined since the modeler who did the 3d model chose not to use more polygons to define the shape in that area.

[GScholz]

How much weight are we talking? Would it be reasonable to put the 20mm back in the K4?

Not much. We're talking mounting brackets and other minor modifications. As with the G-14/AS and G-10, there also were examples og K-4s with the MG 151/20 motor cannon. However the majority of K-4s had the MK 108.

[Tank-Ace]

So it would work to have the Mg 151 put back in the K4 to make a late G-10.

Do you have sources? This may become my new #1 wish.

[Wmaker]

2 points:

Our previous 109G-6 was set up more as a later-war mixup, with a 30mm option but without the later-war engine power. So it was a bit of a Frankenstein.

There were hundreds of Bf109G-6/U4s built that didn't have MW-50 injection but had the MK108 cannon. Nothing "Frankenstein" about it.

[GScholz]

So it would work to have the Mg 151 put back in the K4 to make a late G-10.

Do you have sources? This may become my new #1 wish.

You wouldn't have to make it a G-10; there were a few K-4s with the MG 151 too.  Source: http://www.amazon.com/Messerschmitt-Bf-109-Series-Illustrated/dp/0887404243

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7/Jg26's Klaus Mietusch reported on a conference mid-44 the 30mm was well worth the extra weight.

[Tank-Ace]

You wouldn't have to make it a G-10; there were a few K-4s with the MG 151 too.  Source: http://www.amazon.com/Messerschmitt-Bf-109-Series-Illustrated/dp/0887404243

I don't think a dozen or so warrants adding it. Besides that, it would make it easier to control for events. And we wouldn't have to mix skins for a G-10 in with the K4.

If we're essential just dropping the Mg 151 into the K4, I'd rather just make a separate model, and be done with it.


And thank you. I was about to place an Amazon order, actually  .

[GScholz]

More like hundreds of K-4s with the 20mm. The K-4 we have is not really representative of those that flew operationally anyway. The tail wheel should be fixed and the main landing gear doors removed. This would reduce top speed to about 425-430 mph.