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Offline Curval

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Let's talk boats
« on: September 13, 2013, 01:40:58 PM »
This summer I have been renting boats on weekends to take out the family for fun outings.  The main reason was to determine whether or not we enjoyed it enough to get ourselves a boat.  We had been in a share situation a few years ago but it didn't work out.  Not a financial issue, the reasons are irrelevant and too long to get into, but we were bought out with the same amount we bought in so it didn't turn us off the whole concept at all.

For the past two weekends I have wanted to rent a boat, only to be told there was none available or that the wind was too strong for the smaller boats.  I was staying at the resort we rent from on Friday and the weather was perfect, maybe they had mechanical issues and didn't want to admit it, I don't know.  But, then and there I said to the wife "I'm buying aboat, enough of this nonsense".

The next thing I did was send a text to a good friend of mine who is a very wealthy and sucessful banker.  It just said "I'm buying a boat...you in?"  This is the ONLY person I would ever consider buying a boat with after our last experience.  Great guy, great family and the two of us just think alike on so many things.  He owned a boat with 3 other guys many many years ago and vowed he would never buy a boat with anyone again....except me.  It has been kind of a running joke with us since.

Anyway, long story short he is very keen.  So keen in fact that my inbox is chock-a-block full of his suggestions of types of boats we should consider.  One he sent me a couple of days ago was the perfect boat type for both of us and it fit in with everything we are looking for, now it is just a matter of choosing which one.  We had the following criteria:

1.  Outboard engines only.

2.  Big enough to accomodate both our families and possibly a guest or two.

3.  Easy to clean and maintain

4.  Enough power to ski behind.

This is what we plan on getting (not the exact boat, just the type):

http://www.worldcat.com/site/320ec-powercatamaran-expresscabin/

(I have to laugh because as I am writing this post his emails keep coming in....must be a slow day at the bank)

My sister and her husband own a WorldCat, but a smaller 24 ft version.  They love it and haven't had any problems with it all all.

So, what boats do you guys have?  Seen a few in the fishing thread but it would be cool to have a thread about boats going separately.

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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2013, 01:56:37 PM »
You are going to like that one!


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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2013, 02:21:56 PM »
lol, yea I am well aware of all the issues with boats. 

If Mike, my friend, didn't want in I'd still be buying one, just smaller.  We are both going into this with eyes wide open.

We live in Bermuda ffs.  NOT having one is nuts imho.

My father's place is right on the water, with a dock with power and fresh water available.  He's giving us a mooring about 30 feet from the dock which is apparently a hurricane mooring, meaning insurance WILL cover it if left on the mooring.  It is all there to be able to be taken advantage of.....we are psyched.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2013, 02:35:39 PM »
How can you live there and not have a boat? No wonder your friend is swamping your mail box lol.

That one looks like a great choice for 'a hole in the water to pour money into'.
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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2013, 03:16:02 PM »
Sounds like a fast way to end a good friendship if you ask me.

If it were me, and finances aren't really an issue, I'd buy the boat myself and invite your friend and his family to come along on your boat.

You might look into agreements people have entered into that spell's out co-ownership of a depreciating asset like a boat.   Splitting the upkeep, storage costs.  Whichever user has to fill the tank back up after using it.

Here are some of the hang ups I foresee.

--One partner wants out after 3 years.  What is the procedure, how do we calculate the depreciation, what is a fair price for the boat after 3 years of use, etc.

--You use it x4 more than me, so you should pay more for that mechanical problem that just sprang up.

--Who's name is the boat insured under....You damaged it last weekend, now our insurance is going up.  You pay the deductible, and the incremental amount our insurance has gone up by.

--One of your kids friends got hurt on the boat last weekend, it's not my liability, but I'm getting sued for it?

--I don't want to rent a slip from XYZ anymore, it's too far from our house but just down the street from yours.

--We don't want to use the boat on this lake anymore, we like this lake better.

--Do you both have a car that can pull the boat?  Who stores/keeps the trailer?

--We don't need a new motor, old one works fine.

--Uhh Jim, say, you haven't paid us for your share of slip fees for 3 months now, kindof getting tired of having to ask every month.

I view boats like swimming pools, better to be friends with a neighbor that has one than own one yourself.

Good luck.


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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2013, 04:01:07 PM »
Check out the Boston Whaler line of boats.  :aok
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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2013, 04:16:10 PM »
Buy a used boat. That boat loses 10% of its value driving off the lot.

Get a big enough boat. You dont want to catch 2foot'itus and have to buy another.

DONT buy a boat with a friend. Your probably tired of hearing that.

Theres a limit on beam width if you intend to tow it. if your hard core about fishing you might want to be able to tow the thing around. theres a lot of tournments in those Islands I'd love to fish. You want at least 25' and probably at least 32'. 25' or 26' are about the limits of towable boats.

Center console are hard core fishing boats but might lack a pissser for the ladies. your better off with a cabin with a bathroom and a sleeping area.

2 families? Your talking a big boat. At least 32'.
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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2013, 04:19:42 PM »
This is how boat ownership normally goes.

The first year you use it every weekend of the summer, and exclaim how great owning a boat is.

The second year you use it every other weekend of the summer but swear if you weren't so busy you would be using it every weekend .

The third year you use it once a month and complain about the cost of the fuel and up keep.

The forth year it sits in your driveway and you swear you'll take it out before the summer ends, but you never do.

the fifth year you wish someone would hurry up and buy it so you can get it out of your driveway.


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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2013, 04:20:06 PM »
Sounds like a fast way to end a good friendship if you ask me.

If it were me, and finances aren't really an issue, I'd buy the boat myself and invite your friend and his family to come along on your boat.

You might look into agreements people have entered into that spell's out co-ownership of a depreciating asset like a boat.   Splitting the upkeep, storage costs.  Whichever user has to fill the tank back up after using it.

Here are some of the hang ups I foresee.

--One partner wants out after 3 years.  What is the procedure, how do we calculate the depreciation, what is a fair price for the boat after 3 years of use, etc.

--You use it x4 more than me, so you should pay more for that mechanical problem that just sprang up.

--Who's name is the boat insured under....You damaged it last weekend, now our insurance is going up.  You pay the deductible, and the incremental amount our insurance has gone up by.

--One of your kids friends got hurt on the boat last weekend, it's not my liability, but I'm getting sued for it?

--I don't want to rent a slip from XYZ anymore, it's too far from our house but just down the street from yours.

--We don't want to use the boat on this lake anymore, we like this lake better.

--Do you both have a car that can pull the boat?  Who stores/keeps the trailer?

--We don't need a new motor, old one works fine.

--Uhh Jim, say, you haven't paid us for your share of slip fees for 3 months now, kindof getting tired of having to ask every month.

I view boats like swimming pools, better to be friends with a neighbor that has one than own one yourself.

Good luck.




This is a toy, not a life commitment.  

If one guy wants out the other has an option to buy out.  If not the boat is sold.

Neither of us are fishermen and we are talking about weekend use only.  If he wants it exclusively for a weekend he can take it and visa versa.  There's always next weekend.  It is simply not possible for one of us to use it 4 times than the other.  

Insurance will be in both of our names, jointly and severally.  

We don't have huge silly lawsuits at the drop of a hat here.  Accidents are considered accidents and there are no punitive damage awards in our courts.  

We don't rent slips here.  The boat will be moored about 30 feet from the dock at my father's place (as said), which is incidentally about a 2 minute drive from Mike's house.  I live a bit further away.  My father is letting us use it (the mooring) at no cost, other than the inspections and maintenance which we will cover obviously.  

There's only one "lake" around here, it is called the Atlantic Ocean.  

Pull the boat where...and why?  If the boat has to come out of the water our mechanic will deal with it.  

The engines are the biggest consideration for the choice of which boat to buy.  Older boat with newer engines (with as little hours as possible) is just fine and dandy.  We aren't in any sort of rush either, so we can wait and get what we want.

His name is Mike, not Jim :) and if you knew him you'd know he's never try and "stiff" anyone for any sort of small "fees".  There's only one anyway...the mooring inspection twice a year.  Total cost $500.  Slip fees and trailering boats only apply when the mechanic is involved.

...and that is the key.

Our mechanic will be the son of my business partner who has a well established Marine mechanics business.  I happen to be the trustee of trusts set up for his benefit.  Great guy and someone with no desire or motivation to rip me off.  He only works on outboard engines and won't touch anything else.  That is why I only wanted outboard engines for any boat I buy or buy into.

While it was kind of a snap decision made last weekend to buy a boat all of these factors have been mulled over and discussed in detail with Mike.  Numerous times.  We have lunch at least once a week and play a lot of golf together.  

Don't be trying to rain on my parade.  ;)

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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2013, 04:23:06 PM »
I would recommend renting a bit more. Ask around maybe other places have better deals.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 08:29:14 PM »
This is a toy, not a life commitment.  






True a boat is not a life commitment, but it's more than a toy.  A vibrator is a toy, albeit one that occasionally plugs into a life commitment.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 08:54:29 PM »
 I suggest you get the biggest and best built boat you can afford!   I have to ask why outboards if you dont plan on fishing,wouldnt a nice sailboat serve your purpose?   It would certainly have lower operating cost and if you simply want to tour about and drop anchor for a swim and a few cold ones,well I'd consider a sailboat.

  Of course if you must have the outboards,see my first statement!  A quality boat,although it may cost a bit more will be worth it in the long run.

  Check out the local marina,,see whats for sale and whats not,this will give you a good basis for making your decision,afterall it will be your decision in the end that really maters.



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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 06:58:58 AM »
We do have hurricanes so I guess we could waterski and wakeboard then, if we got a sailboat.  :)

Sailing isn't our thing.

That is exactly what we are doing, getting the biggest best built boat we can find.  A 32' WorldCat.  Check the link.
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Re: Let's talk boats
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2013, 07:29:49 AM »
I don't know your budget but I have hunch this might have a enough power to tow a skier..... :aok

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2013, 07:49:11 AM »
That's what I had in mind when I mentioned the Boston Whaler boats, except 2 engines instead of 4.


And if that boat wouldn't pull a skier, someone needs to seriously think about eating salads every meal  :lol
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