Duelers need your opinions here on this matter.

[JunkyII]

so, the rematch was done at the same exact speeds and you guys made the same exact moves at the same time as the previous fights and the outcone changed right? 

Its funny how you ask a question, you get an answer, and then argue with it because it was not what you hoped for. Kind of: Doctor do I need glasses?  Yes!  No I dont think so. My friend said I dont 

It's a discussion....and from how the second duel went I'd say it is more of a factor then some seem to believe...I asked a question... doesn't mean I have to take their answers especially when I have seen the results of doing it both ways.

[JunkyII]

I could see it going from a BnZ to dead in two turns fight based on getting alt and E prior to the merge but not on gun/ammo weight alone.  If both were used in your rematch how do you know which made the difference?

BTW, I'm also curious as to the fuel/ammo loadout you used in our F4F-4 duels last week?

25 and DTs with full ammo at merge.

[dedalos]

It's a discussion....and from how the second duel went I'd say it is more of a factor then some seem to believe...I asked a question... doesn't mean I have to take their answers especially when I have seen the results of doing it both ways.

so how can you tell what made the difference in the second duels?  Did you do not as I said in my post?  If you didnt how can you tell it was not something else?

[BaldEagl]

25 and DTs with full ammo at merge.

I asked because our duels were very close.  I watched the films yesterday.  I was 50% internal at take off with full ammo on merge using the 4 gun package.

Unless you were carrying the 6 gun package, which would add a little weight back in, I'm guessing I had a more fuel weight than you did during the fights and it didn't make a noticable difference.  That first fight went 6 1/2 minutes and the second was around 5 minutes so whatever difference there was wasn't stopping us from both pushing our planes to the same limits.

Like I said, an E advantage at the merge might have made a difference.  A little extra weight not so much.

BTW, on watching the films you took part of my wing off in the second fight which prevented me from recovering from the stall I entered.

Good fights.   

[Midway]

The films were posted of our duels and not one of them showed me going above the agreed upon merge or doing anything else that would have broken our duel agreement.  There is nothing 'cheating' about climbing over your base to the agreed upon merge altitude before turning to meet at the center.  

I particularly enjoyed the one duel in which I shot your fuel tank and caused you to run out of fuel and you started whining how I took up 50% fuel instead of 25% and ran you out of gas.  

You're just pissed I beat the crap out of you and enjoyed rubbing in your face the fact that you sucked at this game.  

ack-ack

I was doing 322mph, you were at 365mph and won with the rope due to your extra speed.  Climbing to alt above your base while I'm heading to the center of the dueling field climbing out gave you the E advantage. Even Debrody posted same and could tell what you did after you posted your self incriminating film... and as Raphael noted: "oh cool you posted the video proving the other guy's point! never seen that before!"

Bruv also opined on your "limp wristed" tactics.

Three witnesses commenting on your "dueling" tactics, not counting my own observation.

You climbed to alt over your base so I couldn't see what you were doing. Then you finally turned to face me after you filled up with your hidden E.

You can't face the truth as observed by three others as well as me after taking a look at your film which you posted thinking your tactics where above board...
...and now you're defending yourself still from said self shaming.  

You had me waste time and fuel while you were using your questionable, witnessed, and thoroughly opined on, proven and reviewed "dueling tactics".

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4057983.html#msg4057983
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058071.html#msg4058071
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058078.html#msg4058078
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058182.html#msg4058182

Shamed and caught by multiple witnesses.

Now, more than nuff said.

[dedalos]

Lol Midway. You got roped by a 40mph difference?   

so did you agree on merge speed or merge alt?  Last I checked no one merges at the same speed. Pull the stick a little less next time?

[Midway]

Lol Midway. You got roped by a 40mph difference?  

so did you agree on merge speed or merge alt?  Last I checked no one merges at the same speed. Pull the stick a little less next time?

We set an agreed on altitude.  AKAK headed in the opposite direction from me building his alt and hidden E.  I even had to ask him to come to the center of the arena which after a few minutes he finally left his base and did...  

I was eight months into the game, AKAK 10+ years. He barely won the duel and only due to my two separate shots on him not being lethal and my running out of fuel due to a small fuel tank ping after I was already very low on fuel waiting for him to finally show.  My leaking fuel trail lasting less than a second.  He only finally won because he shot at me as my engine was fuel deprived and I was coasting to ditch on the ground.  

Fact is he couldn't muster a proper duel against an eight month newb... he having to resort to "limp wristed" (not my words, these are Bruv's posted opinion after he reviewed said film) tactics and I became a much better pilot in time... pwning AKAK and his ego plenty.

Climbing over your base in circles to gain altitude and E out of range before flying towards your dueling partner is limp wristed , shows fear & weakness of character.

Certainly most would agree that it's also cheap as the original poster stated.

Let it be known.

Now, way way more than nuff said.

[JunkyII]

so how can you tell what made the difference in the second duels?  Did you do not as I said in my post?  If you didnt how can you tell it was not something else?

As far as what made the difference I can't tell but this wasn't just a little difference....since it was dramatically better I assume both were effecting it.

I asked because our duels were very close.  I watched the films yesterday.  I was 50% internal at take off with full ammo on merge using the 4 gun package.

Unless you were carrying the 6 gun package, which would add a little weight back in, I'm guessing I had a more fuel weight than you did during the fights and it didn't make a noticable difference.  That first fight went 6 1/2 minutes and the second was around 5 minutes so whatever difference there was wasn't stopping us from both pushing our planes to the same limits.

Like I said, an E advantage at the merge might have made a difference.  A little extra weight not so much.

BTW, on watching the films you took part of my wing off in the second fight which prevented me from recovering from the stall I entered.

Good fights.  

I don't know on the guns...whatever is default. I was debating 50% or 25% and DTs, not sure how the DTs effect the F4Fs performance after you release them.(I know some planes get effected more and some not at all)

[dedalos]

As far as what made the difference I can't tell but this wasn't just a little difference....since it was dramatically better I assume both were effecting it.
I don't know on the guns...whatever is default. I was debating 50% or 25% and DTs, not sure how the DTs effect the F4Fs performance after you release them.(I know some planes get effected more and some not at all)

most likely there were 20 other things that made the difference.

I honestly cannot think of any way to test this idea.

[Ack-Ack]

Ack-Ack is better than me and I'm bitter and quit the game because I suck

Good, you found the thread with the links to the films.  People will be able to see for themselves I did nothing wrong in the duels or anything else that would have given me an unfair advantage. 

It really must piss you off that you weren't very good at this game, especially flying such an easy mode plane like the Spitfire.  I really never ran into someone that wasn't very good in the Spitfire and totally dependent on it until you started to play and was surprised that someone could actually suck in a plane that is so easy to fly.  Explains why you had difficulties in flying the P-38 and P-51D when you tried flying those...how long did you last in those planes?  I know you barely lasted a month or so in the P-38 before you gave up because it was too hard and you quit the game after a couple of weeks in the P-51D because you also had a tough time in it. 

It still makes me chuckle thinking that someone could be so awful that not even a Spitfire could help them.  I will admit I do miss making you cry on Channel 200, it was so easy and always good for a laugh or two.

ack-ack

[Fulcrum]

[Changeup]

I was doing 322mph, you were at 365mph and won with the rope due to your extra speed.  Climbing to alt above your base while I'm heading to the center of the dueling field climbing out gave you the E advantage. Even Debrody posted same and could tell what you did after you posted your self incriminating film... and as Raphael noted: "oh cool you posted the video proving the other guy's point! never seen that before!"

Bruv also opined on your "limp wristed" tactics.

Three witnesses commenting on your "dueling" tactics, not counting my own observation.

You climbed to alt over your base so I couldn't see what you were doing. Then you finally turned to face me after you filled up with your hidden E.

You can't face the truth as observed by three others as well as me after taking a look at your film which you posted thinking your tactics where above board...
...and now you're defending yourself still from said self shaming.  

You had me waste time and fuel while you were using your questionable, witnessed, and thoroughly opined on, proven and reviewed "dueling tactics".

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4057983.html#msg4057983
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058071.html#msg4058071
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058078.html#msg4058078
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058182.html#msg4058182

Shamed and caught by multiple witnesses.

Now, more than nuff said.

And as Batfink, Dedalos, Kappa, Grizz, DrBone, and many others have said, "The master dueler knows the winner is almost always the one going a slower at the merge (which is how I beat you all the time in Spits).
While I'm sure Bruv is a master dueler, he knows this as well and is chuckling somewhere in the United Kingdom that someone is screaming cheat at being "handicapped" with a slower speed at the merge.

[Midway]

Good, you found the thread with the links to the films.  People will be able to see for themselves I did nothing wrong in the duels or anything else that would have given me an unfair advantage.  

It really must piss you off that you weren't very good at this game, especially flying such an easy mode plane like the Spitfire.  I really never ran into someone that wasn't very good in the Spitfire and totally dependent on it until you started to play and was surprised that someone could actually suck in a plane that is so easy to fly.  Explains why you had difficulties in flying the P-38 and P-51D when you tried flying those...how long did you last in those planes?  I know you barely lasted a month or so in the P-38 before you gave up because it was too hard and you quit the game after a couple of weeks in the P-51D because you also had a tough time in it.  

It still makes me chuckle thinking that someone could be so awful that not even a Spitfire could help them.  I will admit I do miss making you cry on Channel 200, it was so easy and always good for a laugh or two.

ack-ack

Quoting an esteemed member of the community (the most honourable dirtdart):

"6K merge? Hmmm...   as a experten watcher.... they all seem to merge cold on the deck to avoid such nonsense as arriving to the fight with a bit more mojo.  I cannot remember ever climbing in the DA.

My world is black
As I see a hero take some flak.
Midway don't weep
Because he fought cheap.
You are classier than akak."

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058080.html#msg4058080

 

[Changeup]

Quoting and esteemed member of the community:

"6K merge? Hmmm...   as a experten watcher.... they all seem to merge cold on the deck to avoid such nonsense as arriving to the fight with a bit more mojo.  I cannot remember ever climbing in the DA.

My world is black
As I see a hero take some flak.
Midway don't weep
Because he fought cheap.
You are classier than akak."

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,313012.msg4058080.html#msg4058080

 

You are citing a ghey man's poem to you?

[Midway]

You are citing a ghey man's poem to you?

   

Me at the Khyber Pass.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,353111.msg4673186.html#msg4673186


An honourable and esteemed member of the community indeed.