Duelers need your opinions here on this matter.

[danny76]

You're taking the practice of dueling too seriously, pup. By the time you've arranged all your rules and regulations and done what it takes to meet them, Dedalos and I have had 5 fun fights.


The people I usually duel with don't take the fight that seriously so that a few hundred lbs of fuel here or there matters. Sure, it might just make the difference in rare circumstances, but so what? You replane and fight again. Why replane and spend another few minutes crossing the sector when the winner can hang around and you both get to fight almost instantly?

We will duel in same planes, different planes, same fuel, dierent fuel, same gun pack, different gunpack, same alt, different alt..... this keeps it interesting, a good duel is not governed by rules and regulations, it is governed by both party's sense of sportsmanship and both's desire to give and receive a good fight.


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The true beauty of dueling is something that has been inside humans for thouands of years. The unspoken agreement that both will enter combat but only one will emerge on the other side. It is a primal bond between two humans when they enter such a combat no matter if they use sticks, rocks, swords, six shooters or a virtual life. Two go in, none other can interfere, one comes out.

The ma is not like that, there is always a chance for faceless exit from the combat. That is why some are reluctant to go to the DA, because they are scared to engage in something that they then must see through to the very finite ending. Real men at some point must put all their chips in the pot, place their cards face up and await the flop. That is not bravado, it is simply a beautiful shared experience that risks everything. A very personal experience to those two souls locked in mortal combat. And one of the greatest adrenalin rushes available to man.

To hide from that natural, primal, shared mortal gamble in a virtual world is beyond pointless

This is excellent! 

[cattb]

If someone in the DA has to go to the extreme to have the upper hand as described. The person just cheats themselves. They cheat themselves out of the fun and learning the DA can provide.

[Bruv119]

stop Bat you'll make me shed a tear!   

[uptown]

I like the way Batty thinks 

[LCADolby]

You're taking the practice of dueling too seriously, pup. By the time you've arranged all your rules and regulations and done what it takes to meet them, Dedalos and I have had 5 fun fights.

Practising is completely different, and you didn't mention that. Perhaps if you had been more clear.

I practise with coppr, f77 and others, we fight in the same manner you describe, but with friends, those rules are still followed, they just don't have to be mentioned. It doesn't matter about replaning when in those practises.

[iKo]

Practising is completely different, and you didn't mention that. Perhaps if you had been more clear.

I practise with coppr, f77 and others, we fight in the same manner you describe, but with friends, those rules are still followed, they just don't have to be mentioned. It doesn't matter about replaning when in those practises.

Yes you and bat are right when it comes to friends and Squadie's but most of you posting have the respect for others and no how to duel.

[mechanic]

Practising is completely different, and you didn't mention that. Perhaps if you had been more clear.

I practise with coppr, f77 and others, we fight in the same manner you describe, but with friends, those rules are still followed, they just don't have to be mentioned. It doesn't matter about replaning when in those practises.

What were you talking about then? Official dueling tourneys? I would have thought it was obvious that we were not talking about competition, as competition duels make up less than 1% of what duelers do in the DA. If you were talking about official competition dueling I would observe that you did not mention that yourself as Junky's original post was about dueling between fields 23-24, not competitions.

[LCADolby]

bat, I follow those general rules at all times with people I don't practice with or friends.
This would include; a ch200 callout, a person I have never duelled,
a person who will be pursuing the kill more than the fight, a person who's not necessarily sporting,
a person who's duelling for not necessarily clean motives.

I generally consider it the most sporting way to duel.

The Challenged has choice of the first plane, loser of the round to pick next plane and so on. Cold first merge.
Fuel will be 25%, guns, ammo loadout personal choice, no restrictions on dumping ammo unless mutually agreed upon.
ALT cap, is agreed upon by both. Neither will extend beyond 2.5k icon range from their opponent and F3 mode is out of the question.

I should have certainly mentioned above about replaning to ensure equal E at the merge.
I even announce "Ready?", "Yes" "ok Rolling", to ensure we roll at the same time.

[mechanic]

I think I see where you are coming from, so perhaps there is something to be said in the ceremony for 'the fight' in that situation, if it takes nothing away from your enjoyment or even adds to it then it cannot be a bad thing.

[Shane]

This kind of acceptance to bending the rules makes me wonder what other "twerks" the top duelers are willing to do to win a duel.

fixed....   

[dedalos]

On the E thing, I think in a duels you just want to make sure that the E difference is not huge. I actually want you to be faster than me so can position better. So, a lot of times I will cut throttle.  So now, you is cheating?  The fast guy or the slow guy?  I think you just want to keep things close because even if you agree on the speed, you pulls on the stick first, how hard, and in what direction cannot be agreed upon.

The number of variables in a fight is really big. A few mph and lbs will not make a difference

[JunkyII]

Agree a few mph faster isn't big....what about 40-60 mph faster?

The other night kappa and I had a few fights in the MA that were co alt but not E. I would consider kappa to be A LOT better then me but with more E the fight was a lot easier on my end(until the hordes jumped in on us ) I don't have the films of these fights but I would guess that I was max 40-45 mph faster at initial merge.

[dedalos]

Agree a few mph faster isn't big....what about 40-60 mph faster?

The other night kappa and I had a few fights in the MA that were co alt but not E. I would consider kappa to be A LOT better then me but with more E the fight was a lot easier on my end(until the hordes jumped in on us ) I don't have the films of these fights but I would guess that I was max 40-45 mph faster at initial merge.

I think 40 faster will get you killed. But again it depends on other factors. Is that 40 or 60 faster than the best maneuvering speed for that plane?  Is it over, bellow?  Dies the plane have 20mm or 50cal? 

If the slow plane pulls very hard and the fast doesnt the fast will have the advantage but what if the fast pulls hard and the slow does not?  He will be in your 6.

Just too many variables fir a single one to make a difference assuming no extremes.

[JunkyII]

I think your right there are a lot of variables but I think the extra E does give an immediate advantage which can be capitalized easier then a lot of other variables such as plane models. IMO

[JOACH1M]

If my fate of the 1v1 really was gonna be decided over a few pounds then it's going to a close fight. Because with such small amounts of weight being off it's going to take a LONG time for them to show...


I don't care if people shoot off ammo during a fight vs me because it shows they are threatened and trying EVERYTHING in their power to kill me. (Which makes me happy)