I'd like for the time to switch sides be cut in half...

[Debrody]

So what do you expect Hitech to think or even say?

Nothing to say or think. I expect him to actually DO something what he has been asked for.

[bustr]

That raises this discussion to another level.

Does Hitech know what's best for his game, or do the players?

They will just find another game if their ideas are wrong, while Hitech has to close his doors and lay off his staff. $14.95 is not much skin in the game to grant the privilege of demanding an outcome from Hitech. Most companies go through thousands of ideas a year and produce very few of which very few are winners. Who then does Hitech want to bet on for his future?

The Wishlist is a very honest and painful representation of that process. Hitech's experience has to mean something in terms of picking winners from the wishes. Or is there more the wisher can do to sell the wish as a benefit to the game as a whole, rather than as a selfish consumer want? In most cases what an individual wants is limited as a reflection of their tiny facet of a perception of the whole game. Gee...it would be nice if I could drop a nuke.

Hitech has to weigh wishes against his seeing the game as all of it's facets. Or his experience with how unintended consequences work with his creation. 99% of wishes I've ever read in this forum come with no analysis of the potential consequences. Why is it Hitech's job to debug the consequences if most players have no interest in attempting the task to start with? The often repeated excuse and grouse is: it's a whishlist and it's my wish. What kind of a sales pitch is that to a veteran game programmer?

The customer is never right when it comes to what's best for the longevity of a company. They only consume in their self interest and as conveniently as they can. Otherwise in business schools you would be taught to do anything the customer wishes for as the solution to keeping your company viable. As often as technology is trying to fill a need, companies are also leading customers by their greed in new directions favorable to the future of the company or evolving a profitable technology. Appealing to the brain's natural attraction for nuance and ambiguous stimulation. Outside of business, government, and Military environments. Who needs more than a handheld miniature radio phone to make voice calls? Look how consumers line up like zombies now over the latest and greatest miniaturized laptop with a radio frequency chip, Bluetooth and WiFi. Errr...smartphone.

Where do you fit into this equation? Do you own the company, do you produce the product, or do you consume the product?

[Debrody]

Does Hitech know what's best for his game, or do the players?

I know what is good for me. This might sound selfish, but im not alone with this idea - see the bazillion of threads about it in the past.

[gyrene81]

good to see Bustr is still full of hot air.   


over the last 4 years since i've been here, 2 things happened so often that if they weren't the primary reasons, they surely contributed to the current side switch time, "we haz spyiezzz!!!" whines begging Hitech to do something and whines about low life basement dwellers switching to whatever side was close to winning the map, then hording the last 1 or 2 bases for the win, all so they could get the bonus perks.

[hlbly]

That raises this discussion to another level.

Does Hitech know what's best for his game, or do the players?

They will just find another game if their ideas are wrong, while Hitech has to close his doors and lay off his staff. $14.95 is not much skin in the game to grant the privilege of demanding an outcome from Hitech. Most companies go through thousands of ideas a year and produce very few of which very few are winners. Who then does Hitech want to bet on for his future?

The Wishlist is a very honest and painful representation of that process. Hitech's experience has to mean something in terms of picking winners from the wishes. Or is there more the wisher can do to sell the wish as a benefit to the game as a whole, rather than as a selfish consumer want? In most cases what an individual wants is limited as a reflection of their tiny facet of a perception of the whole game. Gee...it would be nice if I could drop a nuke.

Hitech has to weigh wishes against his seeing the game as all of it's facets. Or his experience with how unintended consequences work with his creation. 99% of wishes I've ever read in this forum come with no analysis of the potential consequences. Why is it Hitech's job to debug the consequences if most players have no interest in attempting the task to start with? The often repeated excuse and grouse is: it's a whishlist and it's my wish. What kind of a sales pitch is that to a veteran game programmer?

The customer is never right when it comes to what's best for the longevity of a company. They only consume in their self interest and as conveniently as they can. Otherwise in business schools you would be taught to do anything the customer wishes for as the solution to keeping your company viable. As often as technology is trying to fill a need, companies are also leading customers by their greed in new directions favorable to the future of the company or evolving a profitable technology. Appealing to the brain's natural attraction for nuance and ambiguous stimulation. Outside of business, government, and Military environments. Who needs more than a handheld miniature radio phone to make voice calls? Look how consumers line up like zombies now over the latest and greatest miniaturized laptop with a radio frequency chip, Bluetooth and WiFi. Errr...smartphone.

Where do you fit into this equation? Do you own the company, do you produce the product, or do you consume the product?

Bustr at some point  there has to be changes. Take a look at numbers on during off peak hours. With low numbers it is often impossible to find a fight. Numbers are so low few in the DA off peak either. If there is no option to have a fight more will quit don't you think ? Some of the requests I see on this board are dumb in the extreme. Some are well thought out requests that will improve the game. Maybe HT has made his pile and is ready to retire or move on. Where do you see this game in 5 years if there are no changes?

[matt]

WHO CARES this wish has been asked for a 100 time it'll switch's when hitech decides it will. Are we there yet

[hlbly]

"The customer is never right when it comes to what's best for the longevity of a company."


Isn't that somewhat like the US automobile philosophy in the 70's and 80's ? Did it work for Detroit?  Did it hurt or help Detroit and US auto makers ? They did not give the consumer what they wanted. I remember my dad buying a Datsun 51o wagon in 1971. I remember going up mountains on cross country trips and watching the brand new US cars chugging and over heating as we buzzed by them in that wagon with hemi head and a side draft carb. He got 30 mpg it was reliable and well made. It was passed down to my sister then me and died only when i wrecked it.

[ImADot]

I'll admit that I haven't read this whole thread. But, from what I remember, when the LW was split into two, that's when the 1-hour side switch was implemented. I think it was to make it easier for players to jump from one arena to the other and link up with their squads. When LW was once again put back to just one arena, they still had the 1-hour switch times. Then it was changed to 12 hours, and what I remember seeing is "that's the way it was before the split, and we forgot to change it back".

Perhaps HTC could try this for a week or two:
Come to work in the morning and change the arena flag to 1-hour side switching. Just before leaving for the day, change it back to 12 hours.

Would that help the off-peak non-US players? I don't know.

[Wiley]

Some are well thought out requests that will improve the game.

...In your opinion.  I bet our lists of the well thought out requests would not match exactly, neither would anybody else's.

Obviously there's some reason for it we don't acknowledge as a problem.  If I could figure out what it was, I'd post it.  At some point, I've seen spiez flat out denied as the reason for it.  The closest thing to an answer I've ever seen was something about 'rapid population swings'.  It doesn't make much sense to me because the vast majority of the game population wears their chesspiece underoos and wouldn't dream of switching.

It is truly baffling to me why it's there, but HT generally doesn't do stuff just to mess with people that I've seen.  I may not agree with their reasons when they've posted about things on here, but at least there was some kind of logic to it.  The switch time thing seems to be the exception.

Wiley.

[gyrene81]

"The customer is never right when it comes to what's best for the longevity of a company."


Isn't that somewhat like the US automobile philosophy in the 70's and 80's ? Did it work for Detroit?  Did it hurt or help Detroit and US auto makers ? They did not give the consumer what they wanted. I remember my dad buying a Datsun 51o wagon in 1971. I remember going up mountains on cross country trips and watching the brand new US cars chugging and over heating as we buzzed by them in that wagon with hemi head and a side draft carb. He got 30 mpg it was reliable and well made. It was passed down to my sister then me and died only when i wrecked it.

       ya, "the customers" didn't want gas guzzling 300+ cid v8s and 200hp straight 6s. in 1971 the only 4 cylinder you didn't have to give away was a volkswagon beetle. and that little datsun 510 wagon wasn't capable of pulling a clown on a bicycle over rabbit ears pass without dropping down to 1st gear.

[guncrasher]

Bustr at some point  there has to be changes. Take a look at numbers on during off peak hours. With low numbers it is often impossible to find a fight. Numbers are so low few in the DA off peak either. If there is no option to have a fight more will quit don't you think ? Some of the requests I see on this board are dumb in the extreme. Some are well thought out requests that will improve the game. Maybe HT has made his pile and is ready to retire or move on. Where do you see this game in 5 years if there are no changes?

the same thing was said back when it was an hour switch time.  the biggest complain about playing late at night has always been the "lack of fights".

but why cant you guys who "are always looking" for fights ask each other on 200.  I am pretty sure that not all of you guys are stuck in the same side. 


semp

[Franz Von Werra]

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE WANTS TO BE ON THE HORDE SIDE ALL DAY LONG!  \

How about a wish for only two teams instead of three?

[guncrasher]

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE WANTS TO BE ON THE HORDE SIDE ALL DAY LONG!  \

How about a wish for only two teams instead of three?

you dont play much do you?  go to the ava, only two teams there.



semp

[JUGgler]

At the least, let if we want to switch earlier than the 12 hour rule then let us spend our perks to switch early.  I've got tens of thousands of perks just waiting to be wasted, let us spend our perks on switching early.

ack-ack

Genius!

 


JUGgler

[syko]

Everyone lineup time to gangbang the muppets..