Lack of fights.

[iKo]

You want to fight, "COME TO THE DARK SIDE IN DA LAND" that's what its for.

[Fulcrum]

You want to fight, "COME TO THE DARK SIDE IN DA LAND" that's what its for.

^ this.

[The Fugitive]

doesn't fighting against a horde gives you more red cons to kill?  by that I mean you dont have to up from a capped field but if you up from a field 1 or two sectors behind you will always find a con anywhere from 20k to the deck willing to die for your?  I dont think I am the only one that decides upping a sector or 2 away.

Again, you either can't understand what I type, or you just don't read it. Diving into a horde of red guys isn't fighting, it's picking and it takes very little skill. While racking up a bunch of kills "looks" cool, fighting for those kills it what gets the adrenalin flowing. Even out numbered 2 to 1, or 3 to 1 fighting back an attack is exciting and fun. Trying to fight back an attack when it's 5 to1 and you really don't have a chnace isn't fun. It get tiring and frustrating.

you seem to be stuck in the mentally that it was "honorable" to fight 1v1 in ww1 and ww2 when that acutely rarely happened.   all kills where picks and vulches, 1v1 was the exception and not the norm.

may I point to the first rule of Dicta_Boelcke.

"Try to secure advantages before attacking. If possible keep the sun behind you."

it doesnt indicate that you will have a "quality fight" but more along the lines "I will pick you as often as I can".

second rule is:

"Height - From the advantage of flying above his opponent, a pilot had more control over how and where the fight takes place. He could dive upon his opponent, gaining a sizable speed advantage for a hit and run attack. Or, if the enemy had too many advantages, numbers for instance, a pilot fly away with a good head start. On average, WWI aircraft climbed slowly. Altitude was a hard earned 'potential energy' store not to be given away capriciously."

but if you insist in this "quality fights" thing, please point out to the ww1 or ww2 "rules" of fighter combat.  I am pretty sure you will have plenty of pilots who wanted "quality fights".


semp

Like INK said, THIS IS NOT WAR, it's a GAME and so should be fun for everyone who is PAYING to play it. I don't mind FIGHTING for a base, or just fighting for air superiority, but diving in and picking some heavy lemming that can't get out of his own way isn't fighting.

[guncrasher]

Again, you either can't understand what I type, or you just don't read it. Diving into a horde of red guys isn't fighting, it's picking and it takes very little skill. While racking up a bunch of kills "looks" cool, fighting for those kills it what gets the adrenalin flowing. Even out numbered 2 to 1, or 3 to 1 fighting back an attack is exciting and fun. Trying to fight back an attack when it's 5 to1 and you really don't have a chnace isn't fun. It get tiring and frustrating.

Like INK said, THIS IS NOT WAR, it's a GAME and so should be fun for everyone who is PAYING to play it. I don't mind FIGHTING for a base, or just fighting for air superiority, but diving in and picking some heavy lemming that can't get out of his own way isn't fighting.

so you are going against the number 1 rule of dicta boelcke

1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking. If possible, keep the sun behind you

this is not war, but then again are you so naive to expect every fight to be an equal plane/skill/energy  fight?


semp

[LCADolby]

What a load of Dicta Bollocks.

[Vortex]

I've always thought each map should have a little 3-airbase area, one base for each country, off out of the way in the corner of the map or some such. Nothing capturable, no VH, no radar, nothing can be destroyed. Just a place for folks to find a furball.

...rest of the map can be as it is so folks can do the strat thing and run vehicles. Everyone wins.

[madrid311]

The problem a lot of people have is their fun depends on a cooperative opponent.

They're flying along and see an enemy plane.  What they want is for that plane (and only that plane) to engage them in some kind of committed fight.  If their enemy keeps his E and never engages them so they can fight back, or retreats to friendlies or ack when he loses the advantage, that's "ruining their fun" because he didn't give them the engagement they want.

I just go looking for enemies to kill.  If they want to run to their ack or friendlies that's fine.  It's up to me to catch them and not get killed in the process if I can.

Wiley.

 
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[Tinkles]

The problem a lot of people have is their fun depends on a cooperative opponent.

They're flying along and see an enemy plane.  What they want is for that plane (and only that plane) to engage them in some kind of committed fight.  If their enemy keeps his E and never engages them so they can fight back, or retreats to friendlies or ack when he loses the advantage, that's "ruining their fun" because he didn't give them the engagement they want.

I just go looking for enemies to kill.  If they want to run to their ack or friendlies that's fine.  It's up to me to catch them and not get killed in the process if I can.

Wiley.

Well said.

Honestly, I don't know what the hype is for this.  Arguing what 'philosophy' aces high follows is rather trivial and overall a waste of time and effort. If you believe it's for dogfights, then go for the dogfights. IF you think it's to win the war, then do everything in your power to win the war.  If you just play and 'go with the flow' then flow!

If you need a reason to play the game, you need initiative- your own reason -, so follow that reason.

While I understand that this is a multiplayer game, and that you need 2 to have a true 'experience' of aces high, it also takes personal will to play it.  There are many things that happen in multi-player games that others don't like. That are cheap, annoying or otherwise 'ruin the experience' for those who encounter it.  But if you truly 'love' the game, then you will endure it. You will see the flaws of the game or it's community, but still cling onto the things that are good, that make you come back for more.   

To me, debating about things like "what Aces High's true purpose/goal/intent was is this.." really have no meaning, no purpose. Why?  They are opinions, based on an individuals' perspective, that may or may not be the creators actual intended purpose or meaning of their creation.

:sigh:

SO all in all, play the game your way. But as long as you are having fun, isn't that what counts? 

(And you can have fun in these situations, I had fun with 12 fps, so you all can have fun too!)

 

[Nath[BDP]]

Been reluctant to log on because of the lack of decent A2A engagements lately.  Even more disturbing is the disinterest in even addressing the issue which is being brought up by many people.

[JOACH1M]

Just irritating, and when in the rare occasion there is a furball I die in a acceptable fashion to only to want to re-up for some more acting and the whole field is down. 

[Tinkles]

Been reluctant to log on because of the lack of decent A2A engagements lately.  Even more disturbing is the disinterest in even addressing the issue which is being brought up by many people.

How would you exactly fix an issue that starts and ends with a player? 

Unless you are talking about something else entirely.

[Nath[BDP]]

How would you exactly fix an issue that starts and ends with a player? 

Unless you are talking about something else entirely.

Reexamine the gameplay model.

[nrshida]

getting your ego rubbed by knowing you are terrorizing a furball of numpties who can't find their south end with both hands. Running into another vet doing the same to your numpties is the spice in their S&M fantasy. Grousing in here is just after glow play to keep each other interested.

Bustr, you sure have some weird and perverse opinions about a small faction that you don't actually seem to have associated with or understand at all. I've been lucky to participate in some massive dueling sessions with said sticks and in my experience it is one of the most fun and mutually respectful activities in Aces High. This is regardless of skill level, the respect is there because you try.

What the 'them' faction you refer to do not like is the non-them faction using the MA to supply for their deficiencies in ACM to get a 'win' and then try to assert this is equivalent to the hard work in training and the challenging activity of fighting from a disadvantage with skill and courage.

For instance, in my opinion using your ack to solve the ACM problem of having a bandit on your six is completely ghey and weak in an air combat game regardless of what you would have done in the war. And this is done to preserve your score? So who's egotistical now?

I'm not suggesting either side will ever agree or get along, but if you're going to go about the place suggesting those who work tirelessly and die repeatedly while developing their technique are somehow perverted in an air combat game then you can expect a retort.

[BluBerry]

Please stand by while Bustr writes his 300 word reply.

[FLOOB]

The DA is usually empty, like it is right now.