FW-190 A5 Speed@sea level.

[MiloMorai]

P-51s and P-47s did quite well only using .5" guns making ~10,000 claims in Europe vs ~500 claims for the Typhoon/Tempest.

The highest claiming Allied a/c, the F6F had .5" guns.

[J.A.W.]

More research required m.m., the USN were unsatisfied with mere M.G.s,

&  rated one Hisso as worth 3 .50cals, further they had started to fit them to late-war Hellcats too..

What did that C designation in F4U-1C indicate again m.m.?

F6F 'highest claiming Allied a/c '?  You mean it wasn't the B-17..

Yeah right, tell that to the RAF..

[MiloMorai]

In the Pacfic jaw where the Spitfire was owned the A6M.

[Karnak]

In the Pacfic jaw where the Spitfire was owned the A6M.

That was only in the initial fights between them, just as the A6M did so to the P-40 and F4F and anything else it encountered when those pilots didn't know how to exploit its weaknesses.  Once the Spits knew not to turn with the A6M they handled it just fine.

[Tank-Ace]

Exactly..

& @ T-A, I'm yet to find a single Typhoon/Tempest pilot who wanted to reduce his cannon count..

(Tempests in the 2nd TAF were toting the fast-firing H-S Mk V cannon too, does the A-H Tempest?)

You surely must've heard the old adage.. "Nothing kills - like over-kill.."

Well, when a Typhoon pilot comes anywhere close to breaking even the 75 kill mark, let me know. Even then, it will be less than 1/4th what Hartmann managed.

[Karnak]

Yes, Tempest in AH has the Hispano Mk Vs.

Well, when a Typhoon pilot comes anywhere close to breaking even the 75 kill mark, let me know. Even then, it will be less than 1/4th what Hartmann managed.

Comparing aces as a means of comparing fighter capabilities is stupid.  The opportunity simply wasn't there for Allied fighter pilots to score as many kills and you know it.

You know as well as I do that if you magically switched the UK and Germany or the US and Germany there would have been Spitfire pilots with hundreds of kills in the first case and P-51, or some other American fighter, pilots with hundreds of kills in the second case.

[BnZs]

Indeed, the Americans simply didn't send their pilots out for enough missions for anyone to rank up hundreds of kills. Bob Johnson had 25 kills in 28 sorties, IIRC. If Hartmann had killed at anywhere near that rate, he would have had over 1000 kills.

Now if everyone here would delete all the posts that have nothing to do with Fw-190 A5 speed performance, that would be great....

[BnZs]

The maximum speed is limited by the supercharger at full pressure height. An increase in allowed boost would only affect speed below FPH. The 190A-5 had increased boost at WEP later in the war, but I guess HTC models an early A-5. AH's A-5 matches the performance at ~1.35 ATA boost.

I can't get on the game right now...does the gauge in the 190A5 cockpit only go up to 1.35 ATA on WEP?

[GScholz]

I don't know. I do not have AH installed at the moment. Regardless of what the instrument says the A-5's performance matches the documented performance at ~1.35 ata.

[BnZs]

This chart for the 190-A5 operating at 1.42 ATA

And this is the chart for the 190-A5 in AHII


These two appear to be in agreement, except below 5K.

[BnZs]

I don't know. I do not have AH installed at the moment. Regardless of what the instrument says the A-5's performance matches the documented performance at ~1.35 ata.

I *THINK* it goes up to 1.42, but I wouldn't swear to it. In any case, *most* of the AHII chart seems to be depicting performance consistent with the posted chart for 1.42 ATA, which is odd wouldn't you say?

[GScholz]

Here is the original document...



At 1.42 ATA it shows 568 kph at sea level and 655-680 kph at best altitude. That's 352 mph at sea level and 407-422 mph at best altitude. We seem to have some sort of hybrid performance...

[Tank-Ace]

Yes, Tempest in AH has the Hispano Mk Vs.
Comparing aces as a means of comparing fighter capabilities is stupid.  The opportunity simply wasn't there for Allied fighter pilots to score as many kills and you know it.

You know as well as I do that if you magically switched the UK and Germany or the US and Germany there would have been Spitfire pilots with hundreds of kills in the first case and P-51, or some other American fighter, pilots with hundreds of kills in the second case.

You miss my point; the single cannon of the 109 or the two cannons on the 190 were obviously not a large enough detriment to affect the lethality of the fighters in combat. Despite not having the 4 cannons that JAW seems to hold as sacrosanct, they were still VERY dangerous aircraft.

[BnZs]

Here is the original document...

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 We seem to have some sort of hybrid performance...

Well, I think the LW MA could use the best-performing 190A possible...cause...it is a cool iconic plane and all, wouldn't be uber, just competitive. The EW arena can get the A-4 or something...more models kind of like what was done with the P-40s. I mean, look how many variations on the theme of P-47 we have right now, including the M. There have been no changes to the 190 lineup since the F8 arrived, how long ago?

[Karnak]

You miss my point; the single cannon of the 109 or the two cannons on the 190 were obviously not a large enough detriment to affect the lethality of the fighters in combat. Despite not having the 4 cannons that JAW seems to hold as sacrosanct, they were still VERY dangerous aircraft.

Yes, as I pointed out to him earlier when he was touting his simplistic "more is better" argument for the Typhoon's guns.  Against single engined fighters the Fw190's or Spitfire's two 20mm cannons are more than adequate.

Well, I think the LW MA could use the best-performing 190A possible...cause...it is a cool iconic plane and all, wouldn't be uber, just competitive. The EW arena can get the A-4 or something...more models kind of like what was done with the P-40s. I mean, look how many variations on the theme of P-47 we have right now, including the M. There have been no changes to the 190 lineup since the F8 arrived, how long ago?

Would the best way to do that be to get a 1.42ata A-5 or would an A-6 or A-9 be better?  Certainly an A-2 or A-4 would be nice for earlier stuff.