Spitfire Wing Configurations

[SmokinLoon]

No I don't feel silly but you should for getting all wadded up like that.  I don't care what the calculations that are over ten years old say a P-47 carries a much heavier gun package in terms of guns and ammo capacity.  See how to make a point like a grown up without the CAPITAL letters, what is that anyway your attempt to say it louder?  If you aren't a fan of the wish then just say so, don't act like a child and insult other players for their ideas or the plane preference, unless of course you want to pay many bill then I will fly what ever you want me too, something your not scared of perhaps.  Try leaving your inflated ego out of it from now on.

Jeebus Francis, lighten up a bit. 

I understand and agree with your wish.  However, HTC seems to take some liberties in which model they have represented in AH.  Obviously, that is their prerogative.  I'm under the impression that our Spit IX is the earlier version, hence the .30 caliber MG's.  If HTC were to put in the later version of the aircraft would their not be some differences in modeling since I'm also under the impression that when the Spit IX went to the dual 20mm and dual .50's as a standard they also "upgraded" other items (engine? etc?).  Someone else more in the know that I will chime in.

I look at it similarly to the model of 109G-6 that we have. HTC went with one specific model and cut out some of the things that cross over in to other models.  It further separates the models, I say.  If HTC does allow for .50's to be added to other Spitfires, I hope they limit it to the Spit IX and not include the VIII.  But then again, I'm not sure if the VIII ever has .50's installed.     

[Karnak]

I'm sure this is an old request but it is an easy one and historically accurate.

My request is a broader selection of guns for the Spitfire.  The reason being is that from 1942 on the majority of Spitfires coming off the line had the C Type wing which allowed for four .303 machine guns and two 20mm cannons or two .50cal guns and two cannons, OR four 20mm cannons.  There is no reason the VIII or the IX should be limited to the peashooters mixed in with the cannons.  

This post is incorrect.

The universal wing could not load two 20mm cannons and two .50 caliber machine guns.  No Merlin 61 or Merlin 63 Spitfire Mk IX ever had .50 caliber machine guns and the AH Spitfire Mk IX has a Merlin 61.  I am unaware of any e wing Spitfire Mk VIIIs, and if that is correct no Spitfire Mk VIII ever had .50 caliber guns either.

WWII Spitfire wing types:

a wing: Eight .303s, Spitfire Mk Is, Mk IIs and a small number of Mk Vs had this wing.

b wing: Four .303s and two Hispano Mk Is, most early Spitfire Mk Vs had this wing and the Spitfire Mk V in AH has it (The Spitfire Mk Ib and Mk IIb were unsuccessful emergency attempts to get cannons into the BoB by mounting a single Hispano Mk I in each wing, but mounted on its side there were severe jamming issues)

universal wing: modular wing that could have eight .303s or four .303s and two Hispano Mk IIs or four Hispano Mk IIs, introduced in later Mk Vs and widely used on Spitfire Mk VIIs, Mk VIIIs, Mk IXs, Mk XIIs and the first few Mk XIVs.  In practice the wing always carried four .303s and two Hispano Mk IIs.  I have never seen a photo of one of those Spitfires with eight .303s.  The only cases I know of that deviate from that armament are two squadrons of Spitfire Mk Vs being used for ground attack in the Mediterranean Theater and one or two Spitfire Mk VIIIs used by the RAAF in the Pacific Theater for the express purpose of shooting down the high flying and very fast Ki-46 photo reconnaissance planes of the IJAAF.  The use in the Mk VIIIs has puzzled me as one of the main reasons the four Hispano Mk II option wasn't often used was that the outer cannons froze at altitude due to inadequate heating.

e wing: Two .50s and two Hispano Mk II cannons.  Introduced on late Spitfire Mk IXs (Merlin 66 or Merlin 70) and also carried by almost all Spitfire Mk XIVs and all Spitfire Mk XVIs.

The Spitfire F.21 introduced a completely redesigned wing which had four Hispano Mk Vs and all subsequent Spitfires and Seafires had that wing and armament.


The Spitfires in AH are just fine armed as they are.  The eight .303s would only be used as a joke and the four 20mm would be abused by the playerbase.

[Nimrod45]

Okay then....Wish has been officially withdrawn.  Thanks for the info Karnak!

[BnZs]

I don't care what the calculations that are over ten years old say a P-47 carries a much heavier gun package in terms of guns and ammo capacity. 

Yes, let's ignore calculations in favor of suppositions you pull out of the thin blue  air...or perhaps more unsavory regions...  

The calculated lethality demonstrates that each Hispano 20mm=a little over 3X.50s in damage dealt. Moreover, testing during the war reckoned that one Hispano= about3X.50s. I suspect HTC pays attention to such things. Hence 2XHispanos+2 X.50s at least=8X.50s. There is no getting around it.

In my own experience, it always seemed like double Hispanos bring down the other fighter even easier than 8 .50s, even when the "side-dish" is 4x.303s, as with the VIII and IX. But anecdotes are of course not evidence. Hmmm, let's see what the calculations say about it, shall we?


So even the current gun package on the VIII/IX is approximately equal to 8x.50s. Add in the capacity of the Hispanos to do damage with one ping, and it is probably more lethal in actual fight. Which brings me back to my original point, your request is perfectly legitimate, but there should be an ENY/Perk price involved.

[Tank-Ace]

Our Spit IX is supposed to represent the earliest versions of the Mk IX, hence why it has the armament of the initial version.

The same issue afflicts the Bf 109G-6. Some G-6's carried 30mm's, just the later models and high-altitude subvariants. However, we've shown some, not many but some, early 109G-6's carried the Mk 108, IIRC.


If you can do the same for the Spit IX and VIII, then I'm sure HTC would be happy to change it. Especially if the .50's were most often used even on the early models.

[Karnak]

Tank-Ace,

See my post and his response to it.  Such armament options are not appropriate to the Spits in AH.  They are correct as they are.

[Butcher]

learn to shoot...easiest fix. try bruising that spitdweeb gamer ego a bit and grab a plane that without cannons and requires some finesse to fly. if you can handle getting shot down a lot while you learn to get kills with peashooters the training wheels planes will be much easier.

I'd like to see him get 9 kills in an FSO event with a Hurricane, then he can say anything he wants in here.

[Valiant]

Just to change the topic slightly, I'd like to see the option to clip the wings of all the Spitfire variants (except the Mk1, which to my knowledge was never done.)  It was however commonplace on the Mk V, IX, and XIV.  I don't believe I've ever seen evidence of a clipped wing Mk VIII but it must have been done somewhere.  And the option of putting wingtips on the XVI would be fun too.

[Karnak]

Just to change the topic slightly, I'd like to see the option to clip the wings of all the Spitfire variants (except the Mk1, which to my knowledge was never done.)  It was however commonplace on the Mk V, IX, and XIV.  I don't believe I've ever seen evidence of a clipped wing Mk VIII but it must have been done somewhere.  And the option of putting wingtips on the XVI would be fun too.

Changing Spitfire wingtips took about 30 minutes at the field.  They were designed to be changeable.

That said, I seem to recall Pyro or HiTech saying that flight model option changing things like that can't be done in the hangar the way AH is programmed right now so it would probably be a pretty difficult adjustment.

[LCADolby]

I saw nimrod and just had to have a read.

my my troublesome indeed.

[Nimrod45]

I saw nimrod and just had to have a read.

my my troublesome indeed.

LOL, so glad I could make a difference in your life! 

[Ack-Ack]

on the plus side of this request I think it would put more people in the seat of the IX and the VIII and take them out of the Spixteen that everyone fears and hates so bad.

Why do players feel the urge to try and get other players to fly the planes the 1st player thinks the other players should fly instead of what the 2nd player wants to fly?

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