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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2014, 11:20:22 PM »
I think people miss the fundamental difference between these two.  It's not about how smart these two men are, or how much they know. It's about the method they use to obtain their information. The difference is Bill Nye can use his process to make predictions based on the evidence at hand. You simply can't do that with the bible.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2014, 11:37:23 PM »
not likely....more likely you heard the stories for so long they became memories to you...

sure, since you dont have memories of your own you will assume that nobody else has.



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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2014, 11:49:26 PM »
every child is born Naturally believing in GOD.

Evidence?

Please explain the following non-deity based religions:

Theravada Buddhism
Animism
Taoism
Bon
Mimamsa/Samkhya/Carvaka Hinduism
Jainism

and the presence of their ~1 billion adherents.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2014, 11:56:47 PM »
Draw a circle as big as you can on a sheet of paper, that is all of the "true" knowledge in this world, in the universe!
inside that circle draw a small circle, about a quarter inch in diameter , that is what bill Nye knows,
now draw a smaller circle ,that is what Ken Ham knows!
Now tell me how either one knows anything or everything about exsistance in the universe, or even on the planet compared to all that is real and true? 
Then explain why Albert Einstein believed, and if you think Bill Nye is smarter than him?
Then explain how any of it matters?
People believe what they want to believe , some for better, some not so much, I trust in the fact that whatever it is that is controlling my life, so far so good!  I also believe that having faith in something bigger than your self cannot hurt you nearly as much as having faith in nothing at all,   
All that said, I would bet that the earth is almost a hundred million years old , and that fact is relevant to my exsistance !

Einstein was a deist. Or an agnostic. Or a pantheist. Or a "religious non-beliver", all by his own admission.

His 'god' for lack of a better term, was strucutre in the universe. He believed in the "god of Spinoza", impersonal and non-interventionist, if it exists at all.

Some relevant quotes:

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” (1954)

“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.” (1950)

“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.” (1949)

"I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellation" (1949)




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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2014, 12:28:45 AM »
Ink, faith and belief in science aren't mutually exclusive. Like wise, I don't have to hold the bible as a literal record of our history in order to believe.


Now you're free to believe as you like; but I will say that evidence is on my side.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2014, 01:02:14 AM »


the 6 "days" of creation...were millions and millions of human life spans....billions.....

I don't listen to what men say the Bible says...


I know our spirits inside of us......Love incarnate....... is eternal......

 it will never be destroyed...

our life here on earth is a blink of an eye compared to forever......

me personally I would rather travel the billions and billions of universes..walk on the surface of the sun if I so choose...as a powerful spirit...that has NO time constraints....that has NO restrictions except what our creator....the hand that molded or bodies and our spirit put on us.....   

then be stuck in a place forever without love...knowing full well it was MY choice that put me there.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2014, 01:06:00 AM »
"The fool has said in his heart, there is No God." :frown:
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #67 on: February 06, 2014, 01:13:30 AM »
"The fool has said in his heart, there is No God." :frown:
Who is No God?
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2014, 01:14:52 AM »
actually the Bible in the Old testament clearly states the world is round..... :aok


Here is one verse there are a few examples through out the book:

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22



Job 26:10
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,

At the boundary of light and darkness.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #69 on: February 06, 2014, 01:58:00 AM »

Here is one verse there are a few examples through out the book:

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22



Job 26:10
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,

At the boundary of light and darkness.



Isaiah....that is part of the dead sea scrolls.... :aok



good post BTW




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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2014, 06:34:42 AM »


"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2014, 07:04:40 AM »
As a scientist and an atheist Jew all I can say is:
Jebus! how many times do we have to kill this god?

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2014, 07:07:20 AM »

Here is one verse there are a few examples through out the book:

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22



Job 26:10
He drew a circular horizon on the face of the waters,

At the boundary of light and darkness.




Am I supposed to drink the wine first cuz that does not offer ANY proof the world is round.

More like sic clues that are obvious in hindsight.  :lol

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2014, 07:10:23 AM »
I pity those who do not believe in God.  How sad a life must be thinking it has no purpose and plan, that we are all just the result of random chance and that death is truly the end for us.  

Belief has never been a problem for me personally.  It's the faith part that has been difficult, but nothing in life worth having is easy I suppose.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2014, 07:15:16 AM »
actually the Bible in the Old testament clearly states the world is round..... :aok
I don't remember that part but I would not be surprised. People knew the world was round since at least a few hundred years B.C., more than a thousand years before the current version of the old testament and hundred of years before the earliest versions of it.

There are many indications for the curvature of the earth that even people in the bronze age could have figured out, and at least some did. The story about Columbus having to convince people that the world is round is total rubbish. What was arguable at the time was the exact circumference, which Columbus adopted the smallest estimate he could find in order to "sell" his journey.
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