Bill Nye debates Ken Ham

[GScholz]

Arbiter, I'm very fond of life and intend to live life to the fullest. I need no promise of an afterlife to enjoy this one life that I have. As another atheist once said: "The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more." What makes me sad is thinking if there really is a plan, how sad that the plan involves hunger, sickness, misery and a cruel death for so many.

[LCADolby]

"People believed the world is flat" fallacy was just a 19th century mockery of out dated religious thinking, nothing more.
Aristotle and the ancient Greeks even knew it was round.
The mistakes back then were that they thought they were the centre and everything orbited earth.

[Slate]

    Science: Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed just transformed. Where does your energy go when you die? Atheist's say it just goes Poof! Like Magic. 

   There is no proof of anything, only mathematical consistency between theories, and consistency between theory and observation, until new observations contradict it. There is no proof that you exist, but some observations make it a credible hypothesis.

An education in physics is often like that. People tell you about firm, unbreakable rules and then later they say "well, that was just an approximation valid when such and such conditions are met and the real rule is this other thing". Then eventually you more or less catch up with some part of the leading edge of science and you get to participate in learning the new rules.

[GScholz]

What do you mean by "your energy" ?

[Slate]

What do you mean by "your energy" ?

   Your Brain's electrical impulses if you will. Your consciousness? Are we just shorted to ground when our blood ceases to pump? I have many questions science can't answer.

[GScholz]

Your brain produces about 20-25 watts of electric energy when you're awake, or about enough to power a small light bulb. A bit less when you sleep. Your braincells produce energy by burning oxygen and nutrients (mostly hydrogen), in essence like a hydrogen fuel cell. This combustion is part of our metabolism and produces electricity and heat from chemical energy. When your braincells are deprived of oxygen and/or nutrients they stop producing electricity, and eventually you'll die. When you die the three different energies in your body (chemical energy, electricity and heat) dissipate into the environment around your body. The electricity becomes heat when the cells die and can no longer hold the potential differences. The human body is not a closed system, we leak energy to the surrounding environment all the time, mostly through loss of body heat.

I'm sure you have many questions science can't answer, but so what?

[FLOOB]

This thread went off the tracks a long time ago. It was about a debate with a guy who thinks that the bible is the best source of scientific evidence ever, and that children should learn about Noah's arc in science class.

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Your brain produces about 20-25 watts of electric energy when you're awake, or about enough to power a small light bulb. A bit less when you sleep. Your braincells produce energy by burning oxygen and nutrients (mostly hydrogen), in essence like a hydrogen fuel cell. This combustion is part of our metabolism and produces electricity and heat from chemical energy. When your braincells are deprived of oxygen and/or nutrients they stop producing electricity, and eventually you'll die. When you die the three different energies in your body (chemical energy, electricity and heat) dissipate into the environment around your body. The electricity becomes heat when the cells die and can no longer hold the potential differences. The human body is not a closed system, we leak energy to the surrounding environment all the time, mostly through loss of body heat.

I'm sure you have many questions science can't answer, but so what?

so I take it you don't believe humans have a soul/spirit?

[Delirium]

Religion and science can cooperate with one another, but neither side wants the other the dictate rule sets.

[GScholz]

so I take it you don't believe humans have a soul/spirit?

That is a question I can't answer until someone gives me a clear definition of what a soul/spirit is.

[Slate]

This thread went off the tracks a long time ago. It was about a debate with a guy who thinks that the bible is the best source of scientific evidence ever, and that children should learn about Noah's arc in science class.

  We all look to the writings from people in the past to learn more about what they thought and how they lived. The Bible is one record from the past that has many truths that should be learned and studied in school as much as Aristotle, Galileo, Isacc Newton, ect. But because of some people claiming it's a book of fiction and "magic" it's not given the respect it deserves in society.
  The Bible is not the only place a record of a great flood exists. Many stories are based on fact though the details may elude us.
    

That is a question I can't answer until someone gives me a clear definition of what a soul/spirit is.

Science is the wrong tool to discuss Spiritual matters. it only can describe the Physical.  

[GScholz]

In that case the answer is: No.

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That is a question I can't answer until someone gives me a clear definition of what a soul/spirit is.

the soul is our connection to all humanity...our connection to Yahaveh...it is where Love resides....its more then that....it is our conscience....our will to live....our "heart" if you will.....


I have had people try to tell me that "Love" is not real.....of course they had no kids....

the only way I can "prove" that we have a Soul.....

 ask any Parent (who has a conscience).....what happens to them when they see their child get hurt.....

a parent feels that pain even though the pain was not on our bodies...

not just Parents but anyone who LOVES someone else...they can feel them in their "heart".....

our Soul can not be destroyed by anything other than the creator.....

now I believe a soul can be twisted and corrupted.....

those people will never experience true Love, they will never inherit the kingdom of God....which is inside us......



"you will know them by their works."



 

[GScholz]

Then the answer to your question is: No.

[gyrene81]

This thread went off the tracks a long time ago. It was about a debate with a guy who thinks that the bible is the best source of scientific evidence ever, and that children should learn about Noah's arc in science class.

lol, true. too bad people like Ham get called on to represent people of faith. like those moron white supremacists that get on jerry springer spouting "it's in the babble", "cuz gawd sayed so in the gawspels"...ignorant inbred turds that got dropped on their heads as babies. lol.