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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #330 on: March 18, 2014, 01:50:40 PM »
This is turning into a G.I. Joe plot...

Cobra did it. Only they would have the resources to pull this off. Stealing a jetliner with computer scientists on board and flying it to their secret desert base where they will refuel it and equip it with a weapon of mass destruction to use against the Joes!

I bet the captain was Zartan...

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« Reply #331 on: March 18, 2014, 01:54:58 PM »
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« Reply #332 on: March 18, 2014, 02:32:29 PM »
The plane has been found!  All this time wasted with a multinational effort when all that was needed was to get Courtney Love on the case. 

Courtney Love finds missing airliner

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« Reply #334 on: March 18, 2014, 03:18:16 PM »
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It will be highly ironic if she actually DID find it.  And sad too...sad for the families, of course....and "sad" (in a different way) for the various national and military search teams trying to find the plane.   :frown:







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« Reply #335 on: March 18, 2014, 04:31:08 PM »
 :x

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Next up: She will be joining Matt Moneymaker and BoBo on an expedition to the Yukon. Apparently she knows exactly where all the squatchy areas are too.

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« Reply #336 on: March 18, 2014, 05:17:46 PM »
We all know that iitch has actually found it, she'll swiftly taken away by the FBI for killing Kurt. :old:
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« Reply #337 on: March 18, 2014, 05:24:00 PM »
They don't know if the plane actually went to 45k. From what I have read alt is speculative at best. Everytime I read something the news seems to be speculative, they don't know, or someone knows and is not saying anything.
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« Reply #338 on: March 18, 2014, 05:54:00 PM »
"A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

A pilot with 20 years of experience provides the best explanation yet on what happened to flight MH370.


There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless."

More here: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
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« Reply #339 on: March 18, 2014, 05:59:22 PM »
Perhaps the whole world, and the media in particular owes this crew, passengers and their families an apology...
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« Reply #340 on: March 18, 2014, 06:41:22 PM »
"A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

A pilot with 20 years of experience provides the best explanation yet on what happened to flight MH370.


There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless."

More here: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Read though that the initial turn was programmed into the flight computer and wasn't done manually. 

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« Reply #341 on: March 18, 2014, 06:56:09 PM »
Why wouldn't you use the autopilot to do that in-flight? Or do you mean the course change was programmed before the flight?
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« Reply #342 on: March 18, 2014, 07:35:36 PM »
Post 9/11, doesn't any of the flight attendants have access to a sat phone in case the cockpit is taken over?
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« Reply #343 on: March 18, 2014, 07:57:55 PM »
Why wouldn't you use the autopilot to do that in-flight? Or do you mean the course change was programmed before the flight?

From the latest reports, the course change was already programmed into the flight computer, it's just not known when the change was programmed.

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« Reply #344 on: March 18, 2014, 08:13:12 PM »
I would think it's normal to program alternate airports along the route in case of emergencies? I wonder who has analyzed the data and reached the conclusions; media, government officials or someone actually knowledgeable about these emergency procedures.
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