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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #375 on: March 20, 2014, 04:47:55 AM »
If this find pans out, then that strengthens the theory of Canadian commercial pilot Chris Goodfellow; the aircraft experienced an emergency that knocked out their comms. They diverted west towards an alternate airport, but they were overcome by the emergency, possibly a fire, and the aircraft continued west until it ran out of fuel southwest of India.

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #376 on: March 20, 2014, 05:03:10 AM »
From the Beeb:

AMSA News tweets: RAAF P3 crew unable to locate debris. Cloud & rain limited visbility. Further aircraft to continue search for #MH370
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #377 on: March 20, 2014, 05:14:05 AM »
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #378 on: March 20, 2014, 05:24:50 AM »
If this find pans out, then that strengthens the theory of Canadian commercial pilot Chris Goodfellow; the aircraft experienced an emergency that knocked out their comms. They diverted west towards an alternate airport, but they were overcome by the emergency, possibly a fire, and the aircraft continued west until it ran out of fuel southwest of India.

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If you extend the southern to of the southern arch in that image it does come very close to the lat/long in the photo so it's certainly feasible; however, there are lots of debris in the ocean and this is south, not west of the last reported position.  Hopefully they can identify it.  Possibly the Malaysians misinterpreted their radar data which shows it turning west.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #379 on: March 20, 2014, 05:43:49 AM »
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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #380 on: March 20, 2014, 05:44:21 AM »
...and this is south, not west of the last reported position.

Um... Yeah, I read that wrong.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #381 on: March 20, 2014, 07:55:24 AM »
i find it interesting that the planes last engine ping came around the the time the plane would of run out of fuel.

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« Reply #382 on: March 20, 2014, 08:26:37 AM »
Yes, for whatever reason, be it accidental or a willful act, the crew seem to have been incapacitated and the aircraft kept on flying on automation.
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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #383 on: March 20, 2014, 08:54:27 AM »
edit: never mind.....already been posted.

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« Reply #384 on: March 20, 2014, 08:58:32 AM »
Auto pressurisation failure  :headscratch:
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« Reply #385 on: March 20, 2014, 10:51:52 AM »
Auto pressurisation failure  :headscratch:
Possibly, but there are warning systems and redundant backup modes.  Therefore, it should not have been a debilitating event for the pilots.
Yes, for whatever reason, be it accidental or a willful act, the crew seem to have been incapacitated and the aircraft kept on flying on automation.
How can YOU possibly know that?
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« Reply #386 on: March 20, 2014, 11:00:59 AM »
Possibly, but there are warning systems and redundant backup modes. Therefore, it should not have been a debilitating event for the pilots.  

The warning probably wouldn't have gone off until at altitude, poentially too late. Perhaps passing out from hypoxia while they are trouble shooting confused and light headed.

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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #387 on: March 20, 2014, 12:10:33 PM »
How can YOU possibly know that?

I've never claimed to know "that". What's your problem?
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« Reply #388 on: March 20, 2014, 01:33:20 PM »
I've never claimed to know "that". What's your problem?
YOU made the statement.  No problem here.  The problem is on your end.



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Re: Malaysian airlines 777 missing
« Reply #389 on: March 20, 2014, 01:54:48 PM »
Yes I made this statement:

Yes, for whatever reason, be it accidental or a willful act, the crew seem to have been incapacitated and the aircraft kept on flying on automation.

Now, for me English is a second language, but I think I understand the meaning of the word "seem". However just to be sure I looked it up:


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seem
[seem] Show IPA
verb (used without object)
1.
to appear to be, feel, do, etc.: She seems better this morning.
2.
to appear to one's own senses, mind, observation, judgment, etc.: It seems to me that someone is calling.
3.
to appear to exist: There seems no need to go now.
4.
to appear to be true, probable, or evident: It seems likely to rain.
5.
to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be: He only seems friendly because he wants you to like him.

Synonyms
Seem, appear, look refer to an outward aspect that may or may not be contrary to reality. Seem is applied to something that has an aspect of truth and probability: It seems warmer today. Appear suggests the giving of an impression that may be superficial or illusory: The house appears to be deserted. Look more vividly suggests the use of the eye (literally or figuratively) or the aspect as perceived by the eye: She looked very much frightened.


It seems to me that the word "know" has a very different usage:


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know
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verb (used with object), knew, known, know·ing.
1.
to perceive or understand as fact or truth; to apprehend clearly and with certainty: I know the situation fully.
2.
to have established or fixed in the mind or memory: to know a poem by heart; Do you know the way to the park from here?
3.
to be cognizant or aware of: I know it.
4.
be acquainted with (a thing, place, person, etc.), as by sight, experience, or report: to know the mayor.
5.
to understand from experience or attainment (usually followed by how  before an infinitive): to know how to make gingerbread.

Synonyms
Know, comprehend, understand imply being aware of meanings. To know is to be aware of something as a fact or truth: He knows the basic facts of the subject. I know that he agrees with me.  To comprehend is to know something thoroughly and to perceive its relationships to certain other ideas, facts, etc. To understand is to be fully aware not only of the meaning of something but also of its implications: I could comprehend all he said, but did not understand that he was joking.

Like I said, English is a second language to me. What's your excuse?
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