A-20 perk them

[pervert]

Decent ish for a bomber in the fighter role but lets face its at a severe disadvantage against the rest of the planeset, its laughable guys wanting this perked.

[Charge]

I have wondered it's ability to sustain damage too. Especially after flying the 410 the A20 feels like flying a plane with x3 durability.

After all the 410 has nearly the same weight in smaller space and yet it is significantly weaker especially in the wings even if it was made to be able to divebomb requiring a strong wing, whereas the A-20 was not a divebomber.

-C+

[Bruv119]

-1   

sounds like someone either got pwned or spends too much time in a GV.

[Changeup]

-1 Because it wouldn't matter and I don't care if I die at the hands of an A20.  I was stupid to do whatever I did to get caught by it.

[Widewing]

I had a fun night flying the A-20 as a fighter....

Killed a low formation of Tu-2s...  Rearmed and took off into a 30 plane NOE. Nikis and 110s, with lots of Lancs. I immediately turned around to land and grab a Wirbel, but got vulched.

At a different field, I killed a 110, and on my way to a V-base fight, was bounced by a C.205. I waited a split second too long to execute my patented "holy moly, where'd he go?" evasive, and had a flap shot off. The C.205 and I went vertical, and he ended up about 45 degrees of my right rear quarter. I pulled around in a right-hand lufberry. Three turns later, I was 45 degrees off his six, despite not having flaps. The C.205 pilot saw that he'd be dead if he stayed in the turning contest and broke out and extended about 2k, then reversed in. I hit him with a passing shot and the fight went vertical again. First up, and then down, where I pinged up his left wing as he passed. However, I was watching him and not the ground. I clipped a tree or the ground with a wing tip. potNpans lived to fight some more, grateful, no doubt at his good fortune. We exchanged salutes.

I took off again and spotted two aircraft inbound. A P-51 and an A-20. I shot down the A-20, and the Mustang ran. Heading to the V-base once more, I ran into a 109G-14. I beat him on the reverse, and smoked his motor and shot off some other parts. He dived away and ran toward a higher P-51 and Ki-84. The Mustang ignored me, the Ki-84 engaged. I zoomed up to him and forced him to break hard. We entered an out of plane lufberry. Up, then down. I had flaps out. Gradually, I gained, because the Ki-84's flaps would retract on the way down. Mine did not. Seeing this, the pilot went vertical and attempted to loop over the top. I cut inside the loop and shot him down. <S> to Beaver for the good fight.

The fight pretty much ended. I landed and went to another base under attack. Two P-51s were attempting to pork the base. I killed one, while the other was being pursued by a Ta 152. This P-51 reversed and headed to the base again, I cut across his turn and made a good 90 degree deflection shot. Smoked his engine and shot off his rudder. He turned again, and I finished him off. The Ta 152 driver had his chances, but missed. As I flew towards our base, an La-7 showed up. As is always the case (because I rarely fly the A-20 above 5k), it was above me and dived in. I evaded easily and rolled out behind the La-7. I took a shot at about 800 yards. I got some solid hits, and he ran off. A little later, the text buffer said that I got an assist .

I landed and called it a night. A fun night in the A-20.

[save]

The A20 is really the best fighter in the game, save for dive speed, it could use the B17's ability to dive at 525 TAS in formation,shooting, though (maybe next release),and maybe 7g turning ability with bombs.


LW premier dogfighter mid 1944, the Fw190a8 must have speed and altitude on the 25% fueled A20, even with full bombload, to stand a chance, COe low alt your ded.

If this can relate to real life combat I can not tell, but its suspicious if you august 1944 at 3000 feet break the 200 plane Boston formation, to dogfight 80+ Fw190a8 and fly to target 80 kills richer and then drop bombload on target, unscathed by flak at target, unlike fighters.


Durability against the A8 is abysmal if you get it into your gunsight, yak 3 requires double amount of hits to bring it down.

[cobia38]

 ^^    ^^^

[Widewing]

The A20 is really the best fighter in the game, save for dive speed, it could use the B17's ability to dive at 525 TAS in formation,shooting, though (maybe next release),and maybe 7g turning ability with bombs.


LW premier dogfighter mid 1944, the Fw190a8 must have speed and altitude on the 25% fueled A20, even with full bombload, to stand a chance, COe low alt your ded.

If this can relate to real life combat I can not tell, but its suspicious if you august 1944 at 3000 feet break the 200 plane Boston formation, to dogfight 80+ Fw190a8 and fly to target 80 kills richer and then drop bombload on target, unscathed by flak at target, unlike fighters.


Durability against the A8 is abysmal if you get it into your gunsight, yak 3 requires double amount of hits to bring it down.

Yep, they gotta perk that way over-modeled A-20G...... Oh, and it can dive to 500 mph TAS above 15k (really), 450 at 8k. The ENY of the defective A8 should be somewhere between the P-40B and infinity..... Otherwise, no one would ever fly that junker...

[Karnak]

I have yet to see any evidence that the A-20G is anything other than an easy kill if you treat it with any respect at all.  Going at it without respecting it and it may bite you, but if you treat it as a potential threat any fighter in the game will kill it with ease.

[Widewing]

I have yet to see any evidence that the A-20G is anything other than an easy kill if you treat it with any respect at all.  Going at it without respecting it and it may bite you, but if you treat it as a potential threat any fighter in the game will kill it with ease.

I disagree that the A-20 is an easy kill. Especially for any fighter. It out-turns 1/3 of the plane set, and many of those are the more common fighters encountered. Many of the early war, highly maneuverable fighters are slower below 10k, and the A-20 can simply fly away if it needs to. It can't dive at high speed and pull g. That's its only major disadvantage. You learn to compensate for that.

Most fights for the A-20 are defensive at the outset. The A-20 can quickly reverse that. It's a big target, but durable enough to shrug off most snap shots.

It is very surprising in the vertical. No fighter holds E like it in a zoom climb. I get a large percentage of my air to air kills in vertical fights, where the other pilot figured he would go vertical without a big E advantage. Surprise when the bomber CLOSES range in the vertical.

It's an easy aircraft for inducing overshoots, often fatal for the other guy.

In the hands of the average MA pilot, the A-20 isn't a great threat. In the hands of those who have flown it as a fighter for many years, it's nothing less than dangerous. There's nothing in the plane set, including Me 262s that I haven't shot down. Part of this is a testament to the skill of the average MA pilot. Part of it is a testament to the capability of the A-20 to fight, and part is a testament to those who have learned to best use its attributes.

It certainly isn't perk worthy, but it isn't a helpless lump either.

A few interesting facts... It will outclimb a P-47D-25 and N when both carry 2k in bombs. When light, it will outclimb the P-40s, F4F-4 and P-39D.
At sea level it's 49 mph faster than an A6M2. It's 23 mph faster than an A6M3, A6M5 or Bf 109E-4. It's 21 mph faster than the Bf 110C. It's faster than the P-39D, all Hurricanes, Spit I, Spit V and Seafire. It's faster than the Ki-61, Ki-43 and the Wildcats and all P-40s.  

No, the A-20 is not a great fighter. It is, however, good enough to earn respect and be feared.  

[Karnak]

It seems that all one has to do is take the fight vertical prior to blowing your fighter's E advantage and that will determine the outcome most of the time.  Once the fighter is on top of the A-20G it is just a matter of time.  Yes, it can run from quite a few fighters, but depending on what the A-20G's goal was that could be effectively a loss as it is forced to withdraw from the area.  Certainly I would not choose to turn with it in a Mossie.

Now in a cage match things can be very different and I am not versed at all in the effect that has on the ability of something heavy like a P-47 or Mossie to get on top of the A-20G.

What fighters do you find give you the most trouble in the A-20G?  I am not nearly on your skill level, but my personal nemesis in the Mossie are Bf109K-4s.

[bozon]

I disagree that the A-20 is an easy kill. Especially for any fighter. It out-turns 1/3 of the plane set, and many of those are the more common fighters encountered. Many of the early war, highly maneuverable fighters are slower below 10k, and the A-20 can simply fly away if it needs to. It can't dive at high speed and pull g. That's its only major disadvantage. You learn to compensate for that.

You forgot a major disadvantage - no 6 view.

...then again, it is probably flown from that F3 view that it should not have, so scratch that.

[cobia38]

What fighters do you find give you the most trouble in the A-20G?  I am not nearly on your skill level, but my personal nemesis in the Mossie are Bf109K-4s.

             my 2 cents

  A well flown spit 8/9 gives me the most fits,followed by the spray n pray n1k1.
  As for K4,they are one of the easier of the 09s to deal with,the F4 is the deadly one vs an A-20

[Wmaker]

You forgot a major disadvantage - no 6 view.

It has plenty of 6-view IMO.

[SirNuke]

for sure the K4 is an easy kill to the A20, its basically immune to 30mm