The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.

[LCADolby]

Btw Dolby, I've had an email from the NSA asking for your address and eating preferences. 

I live in a basement in Austria and love Thai food.

[guncrasher]

It was at I think a Denny's in Arizona. The bloke had developed a square wave frequency that weakened the bond polarity between O2 and H to the point they could be separated in real time with a fraction of the current normally needed to crack water. In effect you could fill your tank with H2O and run it past this converter for real time hydrogen fuel.

He refused offers to sell his technology. The day he died he was meeting at a Denny's with a potential financier. A few minutes after sitting down at the table, witnesses stated they watched him stand up and rush out to the parking lot loudly stating "they have poisoned me". Coroner's report was he had a stroke and heart failure. His work died with him because he never went farther than diagraming the macro elements of his device. The specifics of his square wave frequency and how it was applied died with him. Many people have recreated everything but that. Some have hinted they may have figured out the last part. Others believe he discovered a common cheap catalyst which he never documented.

So his work is moot in the face of the NAVY's work and the three teams around the globe closing in on a cheap readily available catalyst.

And yes the federal government found an excuse to confiscate the contents of his garage laboratory for some unknown reason. Fortunately a copy of his diagram got out on the internet along with a WEB site looked at as another kooky free hydrogen scam.

sounds more like how jimmy hoffa disappeared.


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[nrshida]

I live in a basement in Austria and love Thai food.

That's what I told them but they didn't believe me. So I gave them UncleTIP's details instead 

[GScholz]

When will mankind stop believing in perpetual motion machines?

[guncrasher]

When will mankind stop believing in perpetual motion machines?

my ex-wife's hand moving towards my wallet every time I see her is a good example of a "perpetual motion machine".



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[nrshida]

When will mankind stop believing in perpetual motion machines?

Perpetual's a big word. Probably within half a lifetime burning fossil fuels for most applications is going to look positively stone age. 

[guncrasher]

Perpetual's a big word. Probably within half a lifetime burning fossil fuels for most applications is going to look positively stone age. 

they said that when I was 15, 1/2 a lifetime ago.


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[nrshida]

they said that when I was 15, 1/2 a lifetime ago.

And they were right. Just a bit off about which ½ lifetime. It's not just technology which limits progress.

[GScholz]

The fuel won't be much different... It just won't be fossil. 1/2 a lifetime is a very short time frame for any major change, but people often underestimate time and have problems wrapping their brains around the concept of large time frames. For example John Tyler, the 10th president of the United states lived a long time ago, for most people, and in a totally different world. Yet the man has two living grandchildren.

[nrshida]

Sometimes a long passage of time isn't necessary for a paradigm shift. Look at mobile phones, that completely revolutionised Western society within 3-5 years. Same business with the internet. With fossil fuels I suggest it isn't necessarily the complete absence of alternatives which ensures they've persisted for so long.

[Rich46yo]

Sometimes a long passage of time isn't necessary for a paradigm shift. Look at mobile phones, that completely revolutionised Western society within 3-5 years. Same business with the internet. With fossil fuels I suggest it isn't necessarily the complete absence of alternatives which ensures they've persisted for so long.

To many very rich people make to much money off them, and have for to long. Also a huge infrastructure has been created to exploit and use the stuff. Again controlled by many very rich people.

[nrshida]

To many very rich people make to much money off them, and have for to long. Also a huge infrastructure has been created to exploit and use the stuff. Again controlled by many very rich people.

Yup, hence Mr. Myers getting a Ricin burger at Wendy's when he in fact ordered a cheeseburger.

Change is a constant though. Have faith! 

[GScholz]

As long as people give their money away voluntarily is is all good. That's freedom. You may be annoyed by the fact that other people make a  lot of money on... what you consider... stupid things; be it sports, the entertainment industry, or IT and communications... That's freedom too. If you have any more communistic ideas I suggest you keep them to yourselves, at least on this BBS.

As for fossil fuels being dominant the last 100+ years... Just consider the fact that gasoline is cheaper than bottled water and the reason is crystal clear. Even here in Norway where there is a ~700% environmental tax on gasoline and diesel it is still cheaper than bottled water.

Hydrocarbons will be the fuel we run our cars, ships and aircraft on for the foreseeable future. It may not be fossil for a variety of reasons, but it will still be hydrocarbons. Why? It is an established technology with a huge industrial infrastructure, and liquid hydrocarbon fuel is very hard to beat for practicality.

[Lusche]

Just consider the fact that gasoline is cheaper than bottled water and the reason is crystal clear. Even here in Norway where there is a ~700% environmental tax on gasoline and diesel it is still cheaper than bottled water.

Lemme check.. gasoline costs here about 1.54€ per litre.
The bottled water I bought yesterday did cost me 0.13€ per litre. More expensive brands (the kinds with a lot of advertisement) cost maybe up to 0.80€ per litre. Only the most hyped 'luxury' waters will get close or above the price of gasoline here.

Is you fuel extremely cheap or your bottled water extremely overpriced?
(Well, last time I bough such stuff in Norway, almost all kinds of food were indeed very expensive, but that's about 30 years ago  )

[GScholz]

Norway is very expensive yes. For other countries perhaps milk or soda would make for a better example. In any case, gasoline and diesel is remarkably cheap, especially when you consider the whole process involved in getting the fuel from beneath the ocean floor to the pump at your local gas station.

Oh, and you say gasoline costs 1.54€ per litre where you live, but that includes all the taxes. In Europe gasoline prices are artificially high. One litre of gasoline in the US costs around 80 cents per litre at the pump, including taxes. So the real price of gasoline, what the oil company gets, is about half a Euro per litre.