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Offline Arlo

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #525 on: September 19, 2014, 07:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Cthulhu on September 19, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
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 I really hope Darryl finishes this monster. Unfortunately,  he's 78 now.

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Ewwww .... seventy-eight.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #526 on: September 20, 2014, 12:51:31 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on September 19, 2014, 07:34:55 PM
Why do they invariably place the cockpit so far aft in racers?
Not sure. CG reasons maybe. Or possibly because of heat reasons. Then again, it may be something as simple as drag. Fair the canopy into the base of the vertical tail. Adds directional stability, which might then let you trim the vertical tail a bit.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #527 on: September 20, 2014, 12:56:05 AM »
Quote from: Arlo on September 19, 2014, 07:35:30 PM
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Ewwww .... seventy-eight.
Yeah, but Darryl does 78 with humility. That guy's 91, and from what I've read, his head still won't fit thru the hanger door.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #528 on: September 20, 2014, 02:10:08 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on September 19, 2014, 07:34:55 PM
Why do they invariably place the cockpit so far aft in racers?

Generally smallest airframe that can wrap around the power plant, perhaps pilot aft due to rest of fuselage being filled with power system components.

Gonna suck trying to see around the nose on the ground or during approach but shouldn't be a big issue otherwise...except maybe in a spin, long arm from the CG could make egress, if needed, difficult.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #529 on: September 20, 2014, 06:06:06 AM »
Might be pure cg.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #530 on: September 20, 2014, 08:16:43 AM »
Quote from: colmbo on September 20, 2014, 02:10:08 AM
Generally smallest airframe that can wrap around the power plant, perhaps pilot aft due to rest of fuselage being filled with power system components.

Gonna suck trying to see around the nose on the ground or during approach but shouldn't be a big issue otherwise...except maybe in a spin, long arm from the CG could make egress, if needed, difficult.
At the altitudes these guys fly at, and with the tiny canopies and tight cockpits,  I'm thinking egress is something that doesn't happen very often.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #531 on: September 20, 2014, 10:29:41 AM »
Quote from: Cthulhu on September 20, 2014, 08:16:43 AM
At the altitudes these guys fly at, and with the tiny canopies and tight cockpits,  I'm thinking egress is something that doesn't happen very often.

But at the speeds they fly they can quickly and easily zoom to a more than adequate altitude for bailout.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #532 on: September 20, 2014, 10:37:24 AM »
Quote from: Cthulhu on September 20, 2014, 12:56:05 AM
Yeah, but Darryl does 78 with humility. That guy's 91, and from what I've read, his head still won't fit thru the hanger door.

Really? In my experience Mr Yeager was a great guy, fun to talk to and didn't seem at all an egomaniac,
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #533 on: September 20, 2014, 11:45:53 AM »
Quote from: Serenity on September 20, 2014, 10:37:24 AM
Really? In my experience Mr Yeager was a great guy, fun to talk to and didn't seem at all an egomaniac,

If anyone deserves an ego, I reckon General Chuck does. I've never had the privilege of meeting him,
so it's hard for me to gauge anyone else's assessment of his personality. Mine may have differed. 
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #534 on: September 21, 2014, 12:35:42 AM »
Research the details of the NF-104 program, why it was canceled,  and the opinions of the other test pilots at Edwards. Read how he destroyed an airplane none of his peers said he was qualified to fly. He didn't bother with checklists, refused to follow the flight profile, screwed up, and only got away with his unauthorized flight (and crash) because of who he was, and the powerful connections he had (Le May no less), destroying the plane and ending the program in the process. Frank Borman, who was intimately familiar with the NF-104, would provide a very different picture of Yeager than the one we're sold in the movies. He was quite put out when Yeager screwed up, destroyed the plane and ending the program, then had the nerve to blame the aircraft (the flight data recovered showed there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the aircraft). And Borman isn't alone in his opinion.

It's tempting to assume that "The Right Stuff" is historically accurate. I loved the movie too, but Wally Shirra referred to it as "Animal House in Space", entertaining but factually bankrupt. The more I learn about Yeager, the more I have to agree. Great war hero? Absolutely.   Arrogant, vindictive, in need of the spotlight, but totally out of his league with his contemporaries by 1963? Yeah, afraid so.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #535 on: September 21, 2014, 10:30:23 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on September 19, 2014, 07:34:55 PM
Why do they invariably place the cockpit so far aft in racers?


This great video will answer most of your questions and entertain as well....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm8y2t9m87I
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #536 on: September 21, 2014, 11:18:21 AM »
Cool! Thanks!  :cheers:
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #537 on: September 22, 2014, 09:50:55 AM »
Great video Widewing, thanks.  :aok

You could do an entire documentary on Pete Law. He's probably the single most valuable asset to ALL the guys who fly at Reno.
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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #538 on: September 22, 2014, 10:13:59 AM »
Moving on...

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Re: Name that Plane
« Reply #539 on: September 22, 2014, 03:59:08 PM »
I spent 4 days working at a trade show alongside General Yeager in the same booth.  He was humble and funny the whole time.  Doesn't mean he's always that way and most folks that are driven and have accomplished big things have some ego.  But, at least for those 4 days, he was the kind of guy you would invite to your backyard BBQ.   He went out of his way to make others smile and not just when the public was around.  He never brought up anything he accomplished unless someone prodded him to and when he did, he heaped praise on others involved with a gleam in his eye as he told the story.
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