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Offline nrshida

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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2014, 01:38:46 PM »
It is their fault for not accurately identifying a hostile aircraft before pulling the trigger.  Someone made the decision to shoot and apparently didn't care what they were shooting at.

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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2014, 04:59:17 PM »
It is their fault for not accurately identifying a hostile aircraft before pulling the trigger.  Someone made the decision to shoot and apparently didn't care what they were shooting at.

Very true, but it is also besides the point. This shoot down is no more an escalation or expansion of the conflict than when the USAF mistakenly bombed an Afghan wedding party, or mistakenly attacked British vehicles in Iraq. There's plenty of blame to go around for the people involved, but it does not in any way constitute an escalation or expansion of the conflict.
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #122 on: July 23, 2014, 06:01:29 PM »
Very true, but it is also besides the point. This shoot down is no more an escalation or expansion of the conflict than when the USAF mistakenly bombed an Afghan wedding party, or mistakenly attacked British vehicles in Iraq. There's plenty of blame to go around for the people involved, but it does not in any way constitute an escalation or expansion of the conflict.
You made the point......and then drove it off in the ditch.



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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #123 on: July 23, 2014, 06:24:41 PM »
Whatever that means...
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #124 on: July 24, 2014, 02:49:52 PM »
Very true, but it is also besides the point. This shoot down is no more an escalation or expansion of the conflict than when the USAF mistakenly bombed an Afghan wedding party, or mistakenly attacked British vehicles in Iraq. There's plenty of blame to go around for the people involved, but it does not in any way constitute an escalation or expansion of the conflict.
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #125 on: July 24, 2014, 03:42:06 PM »
2 more down in the last 2 days, very sad. 
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #128 on: July 24, 2014, 05:28:59 PM »
Pictures over at theaviationist.com show the cockpit wall right under the left seat window, the frame of the window and stripes of the paint job are plain to see. What is also plain is the dozens of shrapnel holes from the proximity warhead exiting from the inside out, meaning the missile likely hit the plane right near the nose on the right hand side, or at least partially, and that the proximity warhead sprung out and threw it's payload through the right hand side of the nose of the plane, and exited out the left hand side.  One would assume from looking at it that the crew was likely killed almost instantly.

Hard to imagine how awful that must have been for all on board.


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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #129 on: July 24, 2014, 05:34:57 PM »
Modern SAM and A2A missiles target the cockpit area to increase kill probability. Gruesome thing to see the real-life effect of...
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #130 on: July 24, 2014, 09:56:14 PM »
Modern SAM and A2A missiles target the cockpit area to increase kill probability. Gruesome thing to see the real-life effect of...
How do the missiles do that?



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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #131 on: July 24, 2014, 09:59:16 PM »
How do the missiles do that?
Well nobody knows.
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2014, 10:03:59 PM »
How about letting him answer the question?



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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2014, 10:07:51 PM »
Nevermind
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Re: Malaysian Air flight shot down over Ukraine with 295 aboard.
« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2014, 06:35:00 AM »
How do the missiles do that?

I'm sure you'll find a reliable answer on one of the most guarded military secrets.
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