Is it wrong???

[TequilaChaser]

You still think its just a saying..but..We really don't give a Damn, what you think or anyone else thinks. We aren't here to please you.

Just as long as the AH Community doesn't start thinking that The Damned's motto is "We Don't Give a Damn"  or "We really don't give a Damn" .... in which it is not


our 3 long time standing motto's & tradition have always been

"Damned If We Do, No Fun If We Don't"

"Train Like you Fight, Fight Like you Train"   ( per Damned Ren     )

"Teamwork Triumphs"


as for Joker1 and my drunken fun after FSO back around July 18th/19th... myself along with Joker1, skyyr, kruel and I think Fulcrum was there but had to leave???  we al went to the DA to do some 2 vs 2 or 2 vs 3, but ended up being just only 2vs2 engagements... I had a blast, can't remember much after the first 1 or 2 fights, but it was all fun... kruel/skyyr won some , Joker1 and myself won some... I'm sure kruel & skyyr won the majority

ended up flying most of the night in the MA ( well til daylight next Sat morning ) with skyyr, BATMANN?, Fulcrum???, then Fess hoped on and flew with me til my scotch ran out around 8:30 AM or so Sat Morning........

What I am most interested in , is who is the CO of our squad?  I've heard and seen text buffer screenshots that stated that I was not the Damned CO ( and Damned AH CAG ), that someone else is the Damned CO?

first I have heard of it, but if anyone has any news or info, please feel free to send it to me via PM, or post screenshots/films here.................  it would be much appreciated

Cheers everyone


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TC

[TequilaChaser]

This is amusing.  Winning is serious business to some folks, to the point that it matters in their lives.

I'm waiting for the first resume to come through with a "Number xx Ranked Player" in an online game as a credential.

When it does, I'll then check to see if it lists "The Damned v2.0" instead of Phi Beta Kappa as an organization.   

      


Thanks for that mir!  hehehhe

TC ( Johnny )

[katanaso]

     


Thanks for that mir!  hehehhe

TC ( Johnny )

lol TC   I need to join you and Joker on a Friday night and partake in some drinks and laughs.

[Triton28]

No going about your business quietly suggests to me at least that you are rather more interested in trying to cultivate a reputation here than your not caring implies. No?

This.  I sniffed this out when the whole "show player names in icon" topic came up.  They give a damn, make no mistake. 

I am almost as smart as nrshida, btw. 

[Zerstorer]

ended up flying most of the night in the MA ( well til daylight next Sat morning ) with skyyr, BATMANN?, Fulcrum???, then Fess hoped on and flew with me til my scotch ran out around 8:30 AM or so Sat Morning........

I was there briefly, TC, but had to leave as my eyelids were starting to stick to my pupils...it was almost 3AM. I heard a fun was had by all.  

[nrshida]

I am almost as smart as nrshida, btw. 

  Poor you. I'm an idiot savant

[Badboy]

Badboy calls it the loaded roll (which is probably the right term) I call it a lag roll because it is almost like you lag on their 6, when they are following you in the nose down turn they will be blacking out and aiming ahead so they can't see you. Then cut throttle a bit and do a roll right over them and maybe get a shot.

There are a number of manoeuvres that employ loaded rolls, but the term "lag roll" is used to describe an offensive manoeuvre, not a defensive one. I've posted a diagram and explanation below for two very similar manoeuvres, the lag roll, and the vector roll.



The Lag and Vector Roll are variations on the same theme. These manoeuvres are intended to allow you to reduce relative closure while correcting an imminent aspect problem. They both involve a roll around the flight path of a turning target. This roll reduces your relative closure because of the extended distance that you fly. The roll technique, when flown properly, limits any tendency for angle off to increase. These two manoeuvres differ primarily in the amount of g that you use in the roll. A lag roll is a relatively slow, smooth roll whereas the vector roll is a quicker, more aggressive roll. The decision on which type of roll to use is a function of range and closure. For slow overtake and longer ranges, use the lag roll. For high closure and short ranges, use the vector roll. You begin the manoeuvre from inside the turn of the target. You recognize the need for the manoeuvre due to the increase in angle off and high closure. To start the manoeuvre, increase your back pressure momentarily to try to reduce as much angle off as possible. Then, without reducing back pressure, begin a roll opposite the direction of turn. You want to fly up and over the flight path of the target. As you reach approximately 90 degrees of roll, you should be high and six o'clock to the target. Unload and roll quickly around to point your lift vector back into a nose in lead position. At this point, you play your back pressure to allow the target to move ahead enough to allow you to be able to pull back down. You vary your back pressure in the roll to control your overtake and to move your flight path up and over the target's flight path. The target's turn and the attacker's forward movement result in the attacker reaching a high 6 o'clock advantage with his lift vector on the target. From there, the attacker can "play" his pull down to control his range and closure.

The manoeuvre I described is commonly referred to as the barrel roll defence. The animation below shows an example, it take a moment to load and pauses for you to read the text.



Hope that helps...

Badboy

[DmonSlyr]

There are a number of manoeuvres that employ loaded rolls, but the term "lag roll" is used to describe an offensive manoeuvre, not a defensive one. I've posted a diagram and explanation below for two very similar manoeuvres, the lag roll, and the vector roll.

(Image removed from quote.)

The Lag and Vector Roll are variations on the same theme. These manoeuvres are intended to allow you to reduce relative closure while correcting an imminent aspect problem. They both involve a roll around the flight path of a turning target. This roll reduces your relative closure because of the extended distance that you fly. The roll technique, when flown properly, limits any tendency for angle off to increase. These two manoeuvres differ primarily in the amount of g that you use in the roll. A lag roll is a relatively slow, smooth roll whereas the vector roll is a quicker, more aggressive roll. The decision on which type of roll to use is a function of range and closure. For slow overtake and longer ranges, use the lag roll. For high closure and short ranges, use the vector roll. You begin the manoeuvre from inside the turn of the target. You recognize the need for the manoeuvre due to the increase in angle off and high closure. To start the manoeuvre, increase your back pressure momentarily to try to reduce as much angle off as possible. Then, without reducing back pressure, begin a roll opposite the direction of turn. You want to fly up and over the flight path of the target. As you reach approximately 90 degrees of roll, you should be high and six o'clock to the target. Unload and roll quickly around to point your lift vector back into a nose in lead position. At this point, you play your back pressure to allow the target to move ahead enough to allow you to be able to pull back down. You vary your back pressure in the roll to control your overtake and to move your flight path up and over the target's flight path. The target's turn and the attacker's forward movement result in the attacker reaching a high 6 o'clock advantage with his lift vector on the target. From there, the attacker can "play" his pull down to control his range and closure.

The manoeuvre I described is commonly referred to as the barrel roll defence. The animation below shows an example, it take a moment to load and pauses for you to read the text.

(Image removed from quote.)

Hope that helps...

Badboy

Ahh okay, yeah this is the move I was referring to in which I thought you were infering. Too many people don't really understand this maneuver (which Is a good thing, cause I need more kills.) Cooley taught me this move a long time ago and I could never thank him ebough lol

[DmonSlyr]

As much as I hate to do it because it bores me. If Im in lets say a 109g14 and there is a Brewster or ki43 or A6m trying to engage me and I don't have E or alt to attempt a rope, I will extend away. (Its really only these 3 planes though). Normally it's fun to try to win these fights, but if you are in a fighter that at least doesn't maneuver as well as a ki84/f4u then you will generally have no chance to win in a TnB fight vs a brew, ki43 or a6m.

Sadly extending away is really your only chance to stay alive vs these 3 types of planes. I typically avoid them at all cost.

[Changeup]

Badboy,

That is a great move if the NIK pulls up and tries to fight.  That doesn't happen much anymore, lmao.  Now they just blow through, climb and continue the Fascinating E slashes.   It's not the old days anymore where the NIK would have gone oblique after the over shoot, throttled back, nose-up, flapped and rolled over and gotten the kill after the object plane tried to create overshoot number 2 with another barrel roll or three.

[Aspen]

Just as long as the AH Community doesn't start thinking that The Damned's motto is "We Don't Give a Damn"  or "We really don't give a Damn" .... in which it is not

What the community thinks about The Damned is up to The Damned.

Unlike WWII where what your enemy thought of you was at the bottom of the list, AH survives when people are having fun and enjoying themselves.  The red guys here are actually our allies in the big picture. 

[Zerstorer]

I couldn't agree more, AMAX.  In this particular case the detractors appear to be a small, but very vocal, subset of the community.

[Badboy]

Badboy,

That is a great move if the NIK pulls up and tries to fight.  That doesn't happen much anymore, lmao.  Now they just blow through...

It can still work even if they intend to blow through nose low. If you suspect that's what they will do because they are much faster, the trick is to keep your speed as high as possible, start the roll earlier and use less G, that way you minimise the speed difference and can still get a shot. However the real challenge isn't bringing your guns to bear, it is doing it before they are too far away for an effective kill shot. The problem is that with some aircraft combinations that is a lot harder, but I think it is still a good option for an aggressive defence.

Hope that helps.

Badboy

[waystin2]

Is it really wrong to capitalize on each planes strength?  Was I in the wrong to use its strength?

No and no.  Fly how you want.  Destroy opposing planes and vehicles how you want.  Most of all, HAVE FUN!

[Ack-Ack]

We really don't give a Damn, what you think or anyone else thinks.

If that was true, you wouldn't have posted in this thread.

ack-ack