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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2014, 01:00:36 AM »
Why is there a Rubics Cube mounted on that kiowa?

Also, why are bicycles strapped to the front of two of the tanks?  ;)

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2014, 01:07:25 AM »
Well what exactly is the threat level for Egypt and how much can they afford? We have been floating the place to the tune of Billions in years past. Do they really need Yank weapons and can they afford them? We've never really "sold" them anything. If they want to buy Russian we should thank them.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2014, 03:57:36 AM »
Also, why are bicycles strapped to the front of two of the tanks?  ;)

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2014, 04:55:13 AM »
The Iraqis are familiar with Russian equipment, and the Russians could deliver now. If they had ordered AH-64's when could Boeing have delivered them? The Iraqis need them now, not two years from now.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2014, 06:06:13 AM »
^ Cue the F-35!

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2014, 06:52:34 AM »
What?  :huh
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2014, 10:47:59 AM »
its a scout chopper light and fast

i just thought that was a great picture.  chopper looks battle-worn
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2014, 05:01:40 PM »
The Iraqis are familiar with Russian equipment, and the Russians could deliver now. If they had ordered AH-64's when could Boeing have delivered them? The Iraqis need them now, not two years from now.

The AH-64 is notoriously difficult to learn to fly.  It also requires a high level of weapons calibrations.  Even the British had a hard time maintaining and calibrating their Apaches in Afghanistan.  So this would obviously not be a good choice for the Iraqis. 
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2014, 06:48:03 PM »
Are those really bic's on the front of those tanks ? Look like Iraq would or could just hire some pilot's for the chopper's .
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2014, 09:08:13 PM »
The AH-64 is notoriously difficult to learn to fly.  It also requires a high level of weapons calibrations.  Even the British had a hard time maintaining and calibrating their Apaches in Afghanistan.  So this would obviously not be a good choice for the Iraqis. 

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2014, 02:10:31 AM »
Are those really bic's on the front of those tanks ? Look like Iraq would or could just hire some pilot's for the chopper's .

No. They look like stowed mine rollers or some other engineering gear.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2014, 11:19:17 PM »
Nothing wrong with selling them hellfires...  We make them and will make a bit of profit, and the Iraqis have oil so they can afford it.  They're only about $150,000 each...

What they can't afford is to wait for our military sales procedures which can take 2-3 years just to sell a mil-spec flashlight.  To heck with contracts and laws, they have cash and they'll give it to whoever can deliver easy to use hardware tomorrow.  Turns out the US has to many laws and lawyers and politicians for us to compete for business in a country that actually NEEDS military hardware.  Too bad, we could have used the money.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2014, 07:57:05 AM »
No. They look like stowed mine rollers or some other engineering gear.
Looks like rolls of Concertina wire, common for vehicles for setting up
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2014, 05:19:13 PM »
Imo, the Iraqis need to focus on the actual ground war.  Equip their soldiers with body armor, NVGs, better radios, mine resistant vehicles, and tanks.  I think the Merkava would be the best choice.  I don't think there is enough time to train a helicopter cadre.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2014, 05:43:25 PM »
That is concertina wire and that is the back of those tanks. Also they probably would not have to train completely from scratch on Helo pilots.... Most of their planes and helos where destroyed on the ground when we went in. I would bet most of their pilots survived the initial invasion and can still fly.
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