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Offline Groth

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2014, 06:39:15 PM »
 I am confused...
 I expected a plane graveyard full of Douglas A-20 Havocs....
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2014, 02:39:14 PM »
This is not about economy (though you are wrong about what this means to US industry). This is about the sphere of influence - in case you have not noticed, the cold war is making a comeback. If the US chooses not to play the part of the super-power anymore it has the full right to do so, but I am not sure that most Americans consider the consequences.

Its not making a comeback Bozon. I dont know if you were alive for it, and I cant discuss Politics here, but at its heart the Cold War was an ideological battle for world wide domination of communism/socialism. Now its all about national interest in a multi-Polar world.

The Russians are simply doing business. Sure they would like to extend their sphere of influence on their periphery. But alliances are costly, as they learned when their empire came crashing down. The Hind is simply the right tool, for the right task, at the right price, for the job. And without having to get approved by a US Congress.

Correct me if Im wrong but dont the Iraqi's have experience and background with the Hind?
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2014, 02:54:34 PM »
They had plenty of Hinds under Saddam. However the helo they've bought now is not the Hind, but the Havoc. A pure gunship like the Apache... Even looks like it.

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2014, 04:12:34 PM »
Looks like rolls of Concertina wire, common for vehicles for setting up
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2014, 09:16:54 PM »
Absolutely junk

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2014, 09:18:11 PM »
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2014, 10:41:08 PM »
They had plenty of Hinds under Saddam. However the helo they've bought now is not the Hind, but the Havoc. A pure gunship like the Apache... Even looks like it.

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I know but their entire rotary History and experience has been with Russian ones. I expect they will continue to buy a lot of Russians weapons. But last I heard the F16s were still on tract and they were seriously considering a South Korean light trainer/attack aircraft.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2014, 10:58:18 AM »
Imo, the Iraqis need to focus on the actual ground war.  Equip their soldiers with body armor, NVGs, better radios, mine resistant vehicles, and tanks.  I think the Merkava would be the best choice.  I don't think there is enough time to train a helicopter cadre.

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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2014, 12:45:16 PM »
     Israel selling their MBTs to Iraq??  Not in this universe.
To Iraq? no.
To the Kurds if they get independence? I can see that happening. There are a lot of hush-hush things happening between Israel and the Kurds for years.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2014, 01:54:17 PM »
I only suggested the Merkava being the best tank for Iraq's situation due to it being able to hold 6 troops in the back.  It is highly unlikely Israel would ever sell them to Iraq.  And the trophy system is a pipe dream too. 
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2014, 02:07:08 PM »
What's even more unlikely is that the Iraqis would want to drive around in something that has "Made In Israel" written on it...
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2014, 11:23:27 PM »
It could say "Made in Norway" for all I care.  If I was getting shot at and needed cover, I would definitely get in a Merkava. 
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2014, 11:33:54 PM »
Sure you would, but you don't get to decide what tanks your government buys. A Muslim country buying Israeli hardware is as unlikely as Israel selling it to them.
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2014, 11:02:40 AM »
Sure you would, but you don't get to decide what tanks your government buys. A Muslim country buying Israeli hardware is as unlikely as Israel selling it to them.
Israel sold lots of arms, even advanced stuff to Muslim countries - but not to Arab Muslim countries. They would have sold more had the US did not prevent them from doing so (and selling arms themselves).
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Re: Iraq bought a bunch of havocs
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2014, 11:07:59 AM »
Really? What Muslim countries have you guys sold arms to? How did the US prevent you from selling anything?
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