Author Topic: Not Getting The Performance I Hoped For (Read 1262 times)

Lazerr · « **on:** October 26, 2014, 05:24:37 PM »

Can anyone see a bottleneck in my system? I upgraded the power supply to 900 watts and the video card to what you see listed. I figured with all this money invested I could run the game full tilt, but maybe I purchased stupidly.

Any suggestions are appreciated. I have not overclocked anything, never have before in my life. Would this help my cause some? This setup is in a standard Dell XPS8500 Tower.

Thanks!

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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/26/2014, 17:18:23
   Machine name: GABEKIM-PC
   Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130828-1532)
   Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
   System Model: XPS 8500
   BIOS: BIOS Date: 08/28/13 10:44:30 Ver: 04.06.05
   Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.1GHz
   Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8152MB RAM
   Page File: 2144MB used, 14159MB available
   Windows Dir: C:\Windows
   DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
   DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
   DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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   Display Tab 1: No problems found.
   Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
   Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
   Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
   Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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   Manufacturer: NVIDIA
   Chip type: GeForce GTX 760
   DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
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   Display Memory: 4038 MB
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   Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
   Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
   Monitor Model: DELL ST2421L
   Monitor Id: DELA070
   Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
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   DDI Version: 11
   Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 5/19/2014 21:44:03, 17480432 bytes
   WHQL Logo'd: n/a
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Sound Devices
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Skuzzy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2014, 05:43:08 PM »

Disable environment mapping, if you have it enabled. That said, what kind of performance are you getting? And with what settings?

Lazerr · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2014, 05:27:18 PM »

I run full detail on sliders, and shadows when the number of guys in an area are lower. I understand I dont have a top of the line system, but what would you upgrade to run full settings? I get a lot of screen pauses in high populated areas, some long, some short. Occasional CTD but not often enough to warrant any worries.

Thanks

Bizman · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2014, 08:14:26 AM »

As Skuzzy said, disable the Environment Mapping. I run a much weaker system than yours with basically all other sliders maxxed and options checked mostly without FPS issues, but the EM is a killer.

As you said, your computer isn't a top of the line system. One reason is that it's a Dell, which means it's built for comfort instead of speed. Not bad but not fancy either. If you want to max everything including the Environment Mapping, you'd need a very high end computer, something with a $700 videocard (or several of them) and everything else in par with that. If you think shiny gauges are worth it, get the best money can buy. Otherwise yours is quite a capable rig to handle most tasks pretty well. Overclocking wouldn't help

As for screen pauses and CTD's my suspections are directed towards the antivirus and other background programs. Some antivirus programs interfere the game more than others, Norton and McAfee seem to be the worst of them. Just think about the antivirus checking every plane's movement data in a tight furball over a burning field... Other background programs may want to check for updates several times a day, too, which will cause pauses in the game. Uninstall everything that you don't need and set the rest for manual update. Basically everything that has the name Dell isn't necessary for Windows to run unless it's a device driver.

Found accidentally this: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/219576-clean-up-factory-bloatware.html

Bizman · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2014, 11:26:42 AM »

Quote from: Bizman on October 28, 2014, 08:14:26 AM

As Skuzzy said, disable the Environment Mapping. I run a much weaker system than yours with basically all other sliders maxxed and options checked mostly without FPS issues, but the EM is a killer.

As you said, your computer isn't a top of the line system. One reason is that it's a Dell, which means it's built for comfort instead of speed. Not bad but not fancy either. If you want to max everything including the Environment Mapping, you'd need a very high end computer, something with a $700 videocard (or several of them) and everything else in par with that. If you think shiny gauges are worth it, get the best money can buy. Otherwise yours is quite a capable rig to handle most tasks pretty well. Overclocking wouldn't help

As for screen pauses and CTD's my suspections are directed towards the antivirus and other background programs. Some antivirus programs interfere the game more than others, Norton and McAfee seem to be the worst of them. Just think about the antivirus checking every plane's movement data in a tight furball over a burning field... Other background programs may want to check for updates several times a day, too, which will cause pauses in the game. Uninstall everything that you don't need and set the rest for manual update. Basically everything that has the name Dell isn't necessary for Windows to run unless it's a device driver.

Found accidentally this: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/219576-clean-up-factory-bloatware.html, not to mention www.blackviper.com

Lazerr · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2014, 11:36:43 AM »

Thanks, will try cleaning it up some and have been messing with sweetfx a little too.

Chalenge · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2014, 12:15:14 PM »

Unless you are flying in close formation with shiny airplanes the EM settings are a waste, IMO. I think it's pretty cool myself, but the problem is you cannot see the effects from the pilot's seat. So, you can always turn it on for takeoff when there's something to see, and then turn it off.

Lazerr · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2014, 01:19:02 PM »

So I went through and disabled a few processes and services that were not needed, along with running the SweetFx graphics enhancer. Things are looking really good now, but the numbers are low. Will be testing some tonight with a few more players online.

Thanks for the time with your responses, its appreciated.

Bizman · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2014, 02:30:22 PM »

As for the number of services, I have a quite fresh installation of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit, the same as you. The difference is that I only used the plain vanilla Windows installation disk and only added the necessary drivers. Currently I'm running 37 services, two of which belonging to my printer, two to my antivirus and two to Windows Live Mail. Plus one for PaleMoon which I'm currently typing in. Before starting AH I can easily shut down five of them, the antivirus would be a tricky one to stop and I like to have it on just in case. I've put AH on its ignore lists, though, innocently hoping it would help.

I've read that people can get even lower numbers, but that would require more serious tweaking. Mine is more like a "normal" Windows setup without brand specific extras, something to try to reach if your digits are above 50 or so...

Lazerr · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2014, 03:07:37 PM »

Yikes.. I'm at about 70 now Biz.

Bizman · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2014, 03:32:06 PM »

Quote from: Lazerr on October 28, 2014, 03:07:37 PM

Yikes.. I'm at about 70 now Biz.

That's what I thought

You can start by looking at your Task Manager showing processes for all users. Look for anything by the name of Dell and shut them down. Make a note of what you've done. Try to play. If your gameplay doesn't have any issues, alt-tab back to the Desktop and shut down other running processes. Again, make notes and test how the game will run. As a rule of thumb you should get rid of every "scheduler", "updater", "customer experience", "register", "shop for xxx" and of course "Dell". For anything you really won't need, look for uninstalling them through Control Panel->Programs and Features. For the rest look if you can disable their automatic updates and starting when Windows starts, both usually found somewhere in Settings, Preferences or similar. That would be a good start. Here's mine for comparison, as you see there's for example a bunch of svchost entries which for the most part are necessary:

Volron · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2014, 06:46:41 PM »

This is a system my friend is currently using:

Chassis: Cooler Master HAF X 942 chassis
CPU Cooling: Corsair H90 closed-loop Liquid cooling system
Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0
PSU: Corsair AX1500i Full Modular 1500W
CPU: AMD FX-9590 8-core 4.7Ghz
RAM: 32GB Corsair Domininator DDR3 1866Mhz
Graphics: 2x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970s each with 4GB GDDR5 in SLi Config
Storage: 1x 1TB Samsung 840 EVO SATA III SSD
2x 1TB Western Digital 7200RPM SATA III HDDs
Optical: 1x Pioneer Blu-Ray burner
1x Samsung DVD Burner

So I popped on over to his place and had him run Aces High with full AA and maxed out graphics (full updates, shadows, the works). Upped the He-111 offline and watched his FR TANK. Even he couldn't keep it above 30. With AA completely off, he would hover around 35. This is him running a fresh Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit fresh install, so no extra's. The SSD is his primary, and where AH was run off of.

Any takers on this?

BuckShot · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2014, 06:13:10 AM »

Is environment mapping a game or PC setting?

Thanks.

Bizman · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2014, 06:17:40 AM »

Game.

Clipboard->Options->Graphic Detail->Advanced

Randy1 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2014, 06:26:19 AM »

Quote from: BuckShot on November 10, 2014, 06:13:10 AM

Is environment mapping a game or PC setting?

Thanks.

That slider has cost much more trouble than it is worth. I would guess potential customers have been lost because people just don't know how much machine that slider takes to run.

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