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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2014, 03:03:36 PM »
Have you noticed?..


Based on the hook size alone... it isn't very impressive aircraft. Look how tinyit is!

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It seems that the "legacy" carrier fighters have much more impressive hook:

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Even some tiny planes have a huge hook in comparison to the "state of the art" multi-billion dollar aircraft.

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Now I'm not surprised it had problems hooking up the carrier...  :rofl

Garbage.  Designed to fight yesterday's war.  Compromised by the Marines' obsession with VTOL............which they will only use 10 percent of the time.

That pathetic motor can't be pumped up any more than it is without more Burner..........and it is already a giant star in the sky as is.   Stealth.  Ha ha.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2014, 03:10:39 PM »
Well if you think about it, Modern Air Wings are somewhat becoming similar to their World War 2 predecessors. 2-3 different aircraft.

Not exactly.  The types fielded were more varied.  One CV might have had SB2C, F6F, TBM.   Another might have F4U in place of F6F.   Others would have SBD and FM-2.

The lack of a diverse air wing is a bad thing.   Fewer manufacturers...   Lost skill and experience.   We are better off without Grumman, for example?

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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2014, 03:15:23 PM »
God that thing is ugly

Indeed.  Horrible six view, too.

Give me a clean Super any day.

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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2014, 04:34:03 PM »
Indeed.  Horrible six view, too.

Give me a clean Super any day.

LMAO. That airplane has brought the term "situational awareness" to a new level.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2014, 09:27:27 PM »
I was excited by the JSF/X-32/X-35 program 15 years ago (when I still believed the hype about the all the money it would save).  Now I just don't get it.

I understand the F-35B for the Marines VTOL need/want, but the thing is the A and C variants will outnumber the B by 5 to 1, and every other capability is compromised to fit in the STOVL capability... which they don't have.

So... ... the US Marines get what they want, and everyone else gets stuck with a fighter that has been severely compromised to fit a capability that they don't have.   :huh

Seriously can someone explain to me what advantage the A and C variants has over the current fleet?  Range, payload, cruise speed, thrust/weight, all seem to be worse, or at least no better then the current fleet.  It's somewhat stealthy I guess, and has better targeting/tracking systems (but those systems could be retrofitted into current aircraft).

What am I missing here?  On the surface the F-35A and C seem to be a huge expensive let down.

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I wonder if anyone thinks that Boeings X-32 would have turned out better if it had been picked.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2014, 09:38:52 PM »
I've decided that instead of being a low observable F-16, its actually more like a low observable A-7 plus some air to air capability.  A cut down crusader, the A-7 was a decent single engine bomb truck.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2014, 12:02:09 PM »
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Seriously can someone explain to me what advantage the A and C variants has over the current fleet?  Range, payload, cruise speed, thrust/weight, all seem to be worse, or at least no better then the current fleet.  It's somewhat stealthy I guess,

It was never meant to be a super ATA plane like the F22. It was meant to be, like the F16, a multi-mission fighter that will survive in future environments. Which legacy aircraft will have great difficulty doing. Boy have people learned nothing in the air wars of the last 50 years?

Range on internal fuel will be much greater then the F18SH. Yeah you can put extra tanks on the 18 but then you have greatly increased its already to large RCS. Which BTW is over twice as small on the 35 as the F117s was. Performance-wise in the ATA role it will be as good or better as the legacy fighters its replacing. In other words "good enough" "maneuverable enough" and "fast enough" because its stealth, advanced weaponry, and avionics suite will give it a big edge. Future air wars will be won on opening nights with the enemys air force probably never even seeing ours. Opening nights bombing alone will severely degrade their ability to fight an air war.

Let me ask you this? The F35 is a very expensive program for us even with the financial help, and safety net of future sales, from/to our allies. Imagine the stress being put on China's military spending attempting to build a clone of the F35. And why would they do so if they felt it wasnt essential?

The best way to win an air war is to never fight it. Ask the Israeli's about 1967 and then 1973. Iraq was competitive against Iran, as was Pakistan/India, in their air war's. Against NATO Iraq wasnt even interesting. Thats what the technological edge gives you ; It gives you an enemy AF smoking in its hangars, its CNC/ATA network in ruins, and whatever left of it our flying blind or running.

China is spending tons cause they dont want us to be the only ones able to put long range smart munitions thru windows, launched from Jabos that look like big insects on a radar screen. Stop thinking of one dimensional air wars where the better performing ATA fighter wins period. Its not going to work that way.
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Re: F-35C Joint Strike Fighter Traps Aboard A Carrier For The First Time
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2014, 12:42:17 PM »
LMAO. That airplane has brought the term "situational awareness" to a new level.

The Just So Failed?

You mean the jittery helmet that gives pilots vertigo?   Lol