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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #120 on: December 28, 2014, 07:31:05 PM »
 According to this vid the 109 was neutered!



   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C81YdGITmhQ




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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2014, 12:59:19 AM »
And that's why I asked if AH even models different actuation rates for different planes or just uses one single rate for all of them?  (Again I'll point out that videos clearly show the Spit flaps drop in less than a second.)
Spitfire deployment rate was massively increased based on video evidence.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #122 on: December 29, 2014, 01:12:48 AM »
According to this vid the 109 was neutered!



   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C81YdGITmhQ




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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #123 on: December 29, 2014, 01:14:44 AM »
Nose tells me that is a Spanish 109. :)

It's a Buchon alrigtht. A 109G mated with a Merlin. Performance wise it is somewhere between a 109G-6 and a G-14 with a bit better high altitude performance.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #124 on: December 29, 2014, 01:25:55 AM »
That is actually an interesting and relevant vid to this thread.

Yes that's why I posted it. It shows most of the cockpit workload of the 109 from takeoff to shutdown. Most of the times the pilot takes his hands off the throttle and stick it's just the left hand adjusting trim or flaps. I suspect he has a modern comms panel to the right somewhere.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #125 on: December 29, 2014, 01:30:10 AM »
At 4:55 the pilot starts cranking the flap wheel for landing. Looks like quite a lot of work and he does it in several stages (continues after a cut in the footage, so we probably do not see all of it).

The second part just before landing is most likely just trim adjustment. The flaps required four revolutions of the wheel to fully deploy. In the vid he makes 22 turning motions in about 12 seconds. That should be it.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #126 on: December 29, 2014, 01:40:52 AM »
According to this vid the 109 was neutered!



   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C81YdGITmhQ




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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #127 on: December 29, 2014, 02:21:30 AM »
The second part just before landing is most likely just trim adjustment. The flaps required four revolutions of the wheel to fully deploy. In the vid he makes 22 turning motions in about 12 seconds. That should be it.

I would expect the trim adjustment along with the flaps adjustment given the wheel layout. The second time was likely setting full flaps since you don't want them too early. The 22 turns could have been for 3/4 flaps and trim since we didn't see how much the wheels turned.

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #128 on: December 29, 2014, 03:21:10 AM »
22 turns is incidentally the same number the guy in the OP's video use to leasurely apply full flaps using three fingers. And yes you apply full flaps well before landing in the 109. Lowering flaps induces a nose-down movement in the 109, you don't want that on final.
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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #129 on: December 29, 2014, 02:30:54 PM »
Spitfire deployment rate was massively increased based on video evidence.

The flap animation is slow but then I am probably incorrectly assuming that the animation matches the modeled aerodynamic effect; it's probably just cosmetic.

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Re: Time to Neuter the 109s
« Reply #130 on: December 29, 2014, 03:30:47 PM »
The flap animation is slow but then I am probably incorrectly assuming that the animation matches the modeled aerodynamic effect; it's probably just cosmetic.

You can see the timing of the flap effect with the trim change.
You will need auto pilot and combat trim off to see it.
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