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Offline RotBaron

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time to neuter engine off/on ?
« on: December 29, 2014, 01:37:00 AM »
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I'm going to have to have a little discussion with my friend, grrr how could I have not been invited this day! An outrage! His grandfather and Galland worked on helping Champlain get on its feet and some of the birds get there.

Sadly Champlain is gone to Seattle, we now have a CAF museum in its place which does a great job too.

C'mon I could have helped get that baby started. I guess as HS freshmen we were more interested in other pretty thangs.
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2014, 04:06:12 AM »
Sadly Champlain is gone to Seattle

Not sad for me (being near both The Museum of Flight and the Flying Heritage Collection).
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2014, 04:40:36 AM »
The engines probably started a little better back in the day when they were daily drivers.
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2014, 08:41:05 AM »
Neuter?! That implies as if it is overpowered in some way...everything I have heard people around here say it's that it doesn't work and actually makes you lose E

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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2014, 09:11:07 AM »
Are you referring to in air or on ground starts?

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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2014, 09:19:40 AM »
I would guess in air during a fight.

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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2014, 11:58:23 AM »
  My favorite engine starting scene   :D (Movie clip) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACjOvyx5hs
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2014, 12:13:13 PM »

Offline Skyyr

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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2014, 01:04:29 PM »
Cold starting an engine is very different from an air restart. Cold starts require sending fuel to the engine, setting the mixture for ground start, etc. While a ground start might take minutes, once the engine is started and the propeller is turning, restarting the engine is effortless. In reciprocating engines, it's just a matter of ensuring the fuel pump is on and the mixture is open. Restart is simply a matter of turning the key at that point and the power comes back almost instantaneously.

Unless you're suggesting a more complex ground start sequence (such as in DCS), there's nothing really to be fixed.
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2014, 01:17:13 PM »
Then, as I'm sure occasionally happened, if you turn your engine off in flight(I do to correct a stall some times), when you go to turn it back on, have the engine fail, or fail to immediately start.
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2014, 02:54:58 PM »
The illusion that killing the engine bleeds E faster than just going to idle?
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2014, 03:19:10 PM »
The illusion that killing the engine bleeds E faster than just going to idle?


Oh, I always assumed they did it so they could better hear the rounds impacting their airplane.   :)

I have examples on film, but this one by Dolby is chock-full of it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHQsXhS_7k
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2014, 03:45:02 PM »

Oh, I always assumed they did it so they could better hear the rounds impacting their airplane.   :)

I have examples on film, but this one by Dolby is chock-full of it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHQsXhS_7k

The films are old, they are better than that now. I think they use it more in situations when removing the effect of torque from the game might give an advantage. The game makes it easy, so why not...and who really cares. No one comments about the many other maneuvers that the game allows and people use, but could not be done in a real aircraft.
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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2014, 03:47:01 PM »
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I know Skyyr knows this story, but I'll retell it for any of you that don't know it...  Brigadier General Robin Olds claims to be the only pilot in history to record a kill as a glider.  Olds was flying his P-38 one day while escorting some B-17's when he spotted over 50 109's preparing to attack the formation.  Despite being outnumbered 15 to 1, Olds ordered his flight to drop their tanks and get ready for a fight.  So excited was he, Olds dropped his tanks and forgot to switch his fuel feed, thus starving his Lockheed of power.  Undaunted, he promptly killed one of the 109's whilst gliding.  His wingman picked him up and killed two more while Olds was getting his Allison's back on-line, and the pair went on to save the heavies and spread death and fear through the Luftwaffe.  

The way I see it, if one of the most skilled and accomplished fighter pilots in American history can do it once by accident, there's no reason we shouldn't be able to do it over and over again in this video game on purpose.  For me, it adds to the immersion.    As a matter of fact, I have a tiny picture of Brig. Gen. Olds taped to an open spot right above the button I have mapped for the engines... thinking of him each time I cut my engines in a fight.  

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Re: time to neuter engine off/on ?
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2014, 03:53:02 PM »
Bombers saving bombers. Heart warming.