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Offline Ripsnort

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Remember the Canadian Airlines Airbus out of fuel?
« on: September 06, 2001, 11:22:00 AM »
..and remember how I was asking if the tires blew?  Well, here's a photo (1 of 8 I received today) of one set of landing gear...LOL!

 

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Remember the Canadian Airlines Airbus out of fuel?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2001, 11:42:00 AM »
"Airbus, maker of the A330 that glided for 20 minutes before landing safely on the Azores Islands Friday, said the fuel leak was caused when a fuel pipe and a hydraulic pipe feeding the right engine rubbed together.

Rolls-Royce, manufacturer of the jet's two engines, had issued a service bulletin in March, 1999, modifying the two pipes to ensure adequate clearance between them."

There you go. Obviously it was a manufacturer/engineering error. They didn't allow enough clearance between the hydraulic and fuel lines, so they rubbed and made a hole in the fuel line.

Oh, wait.. that CAN'T be...

"She confirmed the plane's right engine had been changed four days before the mishap after a routine check detected metal filings in the engine oil. The change, which was performed by Air Transat mechanics, would have required the reconnection of the fuel and hydraulic pipes."

That's it! It was a mistake by the mechanics! Or at least an airline management mistake for not "getting the word" about the service bulletin to the line mechanics. Anyway, couldn't be an engineering defect.

Oh, wait.. that CAN'T be...

"Investigators are trying to determine how the plane, which had been adequately fuelled before takeoff, could have lost enough fuel to cripple both engines. The plane is designed to allow fuel leaks to be isolated and valves closed to stop a leak."

NOW we have it! They had plenty of fuel but those BLOODY PILOTS goofed up! It couldn't be a management or mechanic error.

Pilot Error! That's IT!

It's not that the manufacturer/engineers initially designed it so that the pipes rubbed together.

It's not that the airline failed to inform it's mechanics of the service bulletin.

It's not that the mechanics who changed the engine failed to perform the service bulletin.

It's that the PILOTS incorrectly assessed the situation and dumped the fuel overboard through the leak.

...ah.. we can rest easy now!

"There is no problem so complex that it cannot simply be blamed on the pilot.

— Dr Earl Weiner"

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »
Those yoke monkeys always screw up!

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »
Pilots are goofy crazy morons, they almost got everybody kilt!

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »
errrm Canadian Airlines is Air Transat?!


srry if i should know this...


SKurj

btw they got a $250,000 fine for the installation of the wrong components in the engine which lead to this incident

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2001, 12:37:00 PM »
Very good reply toad

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2001, 12:57:00 PM »
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Originally posted by SKurj:
errrm Canadian Airlines is Air Transat?!


srry if i should know this...


SKurj

btw they got a $250,000 fine for the installation of the wrong components in the engine which lead to this incident

Call sign TSC236
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Flying from Canada to Lisbon
Diverted to Lajes with fuel emergency
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2001, 01:09:00 PM »
Air Transat is an airline based out of CANADA...not Canadian Airlines (which was merged with Air Canada).

Toad I like your post you hit the nail on the head.

1. Manufacture screwed up in design.

2. Company screwed up getting their bellybutton in gear to fix the glitch.

3.  Mechanics screwed up in the change over.

4.  Pilot screwed up allowing plane to run out of fuel.

Result --- 300 people almost died.


Now let me explain the pilot error part.  And let me first say I'm no pilot and have nothing to do with any airline.  As I understand it the pilots knew they were losing fuel and rather than let the engine die they transferred fuel over to the side that was leaking thus causing the fuel to run out completely.

In the end after all is said and done the pilots (who are hero's for gliding a 40ton airplane 100 miles) will likely take the brunt of it.....even though they don;t deserve to.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2001, 01:57:00 PM »
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Originally posted by skernsk:
Air Transat is an airline based out of CANADA...not Canadian Airlines (which was merged with Air Canada).


Duuh, no toejam Sherlock!  (Think Canadian as in "the country it came out of.."  ya dip!)

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
Leave Skernsk alone, he's a Canuck, and therefor deserves our pity.   :p


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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2001, 04:22:00 AM »
Heheh rip is just afraid that his BOING paper plane company will go kaputt now that European companies know that the Americans are using Echelon to steal industrial secrets from major European aircraft manufacturers and are taking steps to make it a wee bit harder.

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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2001, 05:05:00 AM »
Sounds like the mechanics messed up the fuel shut-off spar valve too.

It just kept leaking and leaking after the pilots surely pulled the T-handle before transfering all the fuel overboard.

   :eek:

Actually, pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Topped out Mechanic - $38/hour
Topped out Dispatcher - $47/hour
Tooped out Captain - $270?/hour. Just enough to be a hero when they forget to watch their fuel.    :p

(rates projected per recent contracts, not sure what the pilots will be raking in)


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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2001, 05:31:00 AM »
Quote:As I understand it the pilots knew they were losing fuel and rather than let the engine die they transferred fuel over to the side that was leaking thus causing the fuel to run out completely.

Erm, Airbus 330 won't fly on one engine?  :eek:

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2001, 07:38:00 AM »
Yeah, you have to wonder why such a big disparity, eh Creamo?

Maybe you guys oughta join ALPA or APA.   :p
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