A-320 crash

[wpeters]

A A-320 of Germanwings is believed to went down in the apps. All on board(148 souls) are believed to be dead. 

[Flench]

That's just sad . Seems like a lot of planes have been going down lately .

[craz07]

blessed be their souls

[Rich46yo]

Not good. Now they are saying there was no word from anyone on board since it took off.

Nothing. No emergency beacon, no radio transmissions, no cell phone calls. The odds of that happening at cruising altitude due to mechanical is low I believe. Whatever it was it was catastrophic. Sad end for these people.

[Volron]

Not good. Now they are saying there was no word from anyone on board since it took off.

Nothing. No emergency beacon, no radio transmissions, no cell phone calls. The odds of that happening at cruising altitude due to mechanical is low I believe. Whatever it was it was catastrophic. Sad end for these people.

Sounds a little like Helios Airways Flight 522.  Yeah, I found that one trying to look up another one.

I recall a similar incident that happened here in the US some years ago, where a private jet crashed.  In this case, there was a valve in the engine that was locked "open", which after it climbed to 20k, caused the entire crew and passengers, to pass out.  Tried to look up the details of this flight, but haven't been lucky.  Ran into Flight 522.

[mbailey]

Sounds a little like Helios Airways Flight 522.  Yeah, I found that one trying to look up another one.

I recall a similar incident that happened here in the US some years ago, where a private jet crashed.  In this case, there was a valve in the engine that was locked "open", which after it climbed to 20k, caused the entire crew and passengers, to pass out.  Tried to look up the details of this flight, but haven't been lucky.  Ran into Flight 522.

I believe that was the crash that killed pro golfer Payne Stewart

[Traveler]

Sounds a little like Helios Airways Flight 522.  Yeah, I found that one trying to look up another one.

I recall a similar incident that happened here in the US some years ago, where a private jet crashed.  In this case, there was a valve in the engine that was locked "open", which after it climbed to 20k, caused the entire crew and passengers, to pass out.  Tried to look up the details of this flight, but haven't been lucky.  Ran into Flight 522.

I believe that was the crash that killed pro golfer Payne Stewart

It was the Payne Stewart accident as it became known in the industry and it was on a charter flight of a Lear Jet.  The valve, didn't get "locked open", it was a manual valve on the O2 bottle that was missed on the walk around inspection and left in the closed position.  As the aircraft climbed to cruise level, everyone was overcome from a lack of O2. 

[Volron]

It was the Payne Stewart accident as it became known in the industry and it was on a charter flight of a Lear Jet.  The valve, didn't get "locked open", it was a manual valve on the O2 bottle that was missed on the walk around inspection and left in the closed position.  As the aircraft climbed to cruise level, everyone was overcome from a lack of O2.

Ah, thank you.  I couldn't remember the details of it clearly.

[Traveler]

"Some Germanwings pilots and cabin crew have refused to fly following the carrier's unexplained crash in the French Alps, the airline confirmed Wednesday.

Germanwings said there were "occasional flight disruptions" within its network due to "crew members who decided not to operate aircraft" following the crash of Flight 4U9525 with 150 people aboard en route to Dusseldorf, Germany."

I'm wondering what they suspect that we don't know.  Its a little surprising that Germanwings doesn't have the depth of staff that so many additional flights needed to be canceled.   That is a little unusual. 

[mbailey]

I'm wondering if it was frozen AOA sensors, I believe a Spanish owned A321 just went thru an un commanded desent a few months ago. And (correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't that Air France flight (A330) that crashed into the Atlantic have issues with its speed sensors due to a possible frozen pitot tube?

Regardless, very sad. I'm sure they will know the cause once all the data is reviewed.

[wpeters]

I'm wondering if it was frozen AOA sensors, I believe a Spanish owned A321 just went thru an un commanded desent a few months ago. And (correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't that Air France flight (A330) that crashed into the Atlantic have issues with its speed sensors due to a possible frozen pitot tube?

Regardless, very sad. I'm sure they will know the cause once all the data is reviewed.

They are talking  about a 50-60 knot speed decrease in climb out 15 minutes before the emergency call. 

[MrRiplEy[H]]

"Some Germanwings pilots and cabin crew have refused to fly following the carrier's unexplained crash in the French Alps, the airline confirmed Wednesday.

Germanwings said there were "occasional flight disruptions" within its network due to "crew members who decided not to operate aircraft" following the crash of Flight 4U9525 with 150 people aboard en route to Dusseldorf, Germany."

I'm wondering what they suspect that we don't know.  Its a little surprising that Germanwings doesn't have the depth of staff that so many additional flights needed to be canceled.   That is a little unusual.

Germanwings is a budget airliner owned by Lufthansa. They probably operate on skeleton crew.

[Zimme83]

Speed and alt chart. Looks like a decent on auto pilot. my feeling is that the pilots were incapacitated and and set the auto pilot on 6000 (or something like that) before they passed out. Decompression migth be the cause. ATC didnt get any contact during decend.

[Oldman731]

Speed and alt chart. Looks like a decent on auto pilot. my feeling is that the pilots were incapacitated and and set the auto pilot on 6000 (or something like that) before they passed out. Decompression migth be the cause. ATC didnt get any contact during decend.

That's been my assumption, too.

- oldman

[Nefarious]

Breaking: NY Times reporting pilot was locked out of cockpit.