Airbus A320

[PR3D4TOR]

I wonder if you folks might let up on the course which is leading to a thread lock?  Some of the things in here have been good.

- oldman

Probably for the best.

[kvuo75]

Nope, cutting out the BS hyperbole and getting into the heart of the matter. Just like Earl and Puma and Mace.

That young man got through the system because of replacing people with computers. Earl, Puma and Mace had to go through a grinder that would have eliminated that kid at the beginning. As you replace "pilots" with kids and computers, you begin a self fulfilling prophecy of needing to finally get rid of the kids.

We don't have the Roddenberry replicator and moneyless future to take the place of people having to pay for basic goods and taxes. Roddenberry purposely never wrote the prequel story to how the humans on earth freed themselves of needing to earn a living, pay taxes, and take care of their lives. He started from the progressive distant future utopia. Unless Vulcans are supposed to land and give us the replicator and evolve us in a single generation to Roddenberry's future.

You cannot be a vibrant first would economy if computers have replaced all the workers and they depend on government allotments for basic needs. You end up with a nation of forever children in a crumbling first world infrastructure. And a government operating not much better than the USPS or DMV overseeing their basic necessities.

this is fascinating that a thread about automation on airliners is now into star trek.. 

IMO, star trek society is a decent goal!

"lets maybe try to remove some of the human idiocy out of this function in society"

"never!!!"

[Puma44]

nope.

#1 i dont think there was a HUD on any airliner i've ever ridden on.
#2 i dont think i've ever seen minimums less than cat 1  -- the worst weather i remember was maybe ceiling of 400 (seeing streets and parking lots usually).

so no i have no idea.

and it's beside the point.. unless you are suggesting less technology and less automation is a better path?

If you've flown on Alaska or Southwest Airlines, you've flown on an airliner with a HUD.

I suggested no such thing.  I'm a big fan of technology.  It's a great work load reducer.  But, it won't replace human perception and judgement.

My questions to you were merely to determine if you were coming from a position of facts or theorizing.  Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.

[kvuo75]

If you've flown on Alaska or Southwest Airlines, you've flown on an airliner with a HUD.

I suggested no such thing.  I'm a big fan of technology.  It's a great work load reducer.  But, it won't replace human perception and judgement.

it already has though..  that's why there aren't flight engineers or navigators on airliners anymore.

My questions to you were merely to determine if you were coming from a position of facts or theorizing.  Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[Puma44]

it already has though..  that's why there aren't flight engineers or navigators on airliners anymore.


 

it already has though..  that's why there aren't flight engineers or navigators on airliners anymore.


 

It has improved but, not replaced.  There are still two pilots.

[mbailey]

Another A320 incident Halifax NS  reported clipped a pole landing and went off runway/ hard landing.....no one killed. Thank god.

[Wmaker]

Another A320 incident

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to specifically mention the plane type?

[Puma44]

Sounds like a generic type accident and just happened to be an A320.

[PR3D4TOR]

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to specifically mention the plane type?

Why shouldn't he? 

[715]

Regarding the discussion of automation: in this day of GPS, preprogrammed flight paths, and radar, why on Earth is it possible to program the autopilot to fly into terrain?  At the very least I would expect the autopilot to refuse to CFIT.  (Or did he do a manual descent?)

[mbailey]

Is there any particular reason you feel the need to specifically mention the plane type?

Ummm yes, because this thread is about an a320 that crashed.....remember, it was in the news a few days ago? Happened in France, Google it, I'm fairly certain that even you should be able to find something about it. But, to answer your question I just mentioned that another A320 had a mishap. See it's similar, it's called adding to the discussion. The amazing thing here......now stick with me.......stay focused....... Is it was the same type of plane.....you know, the type we were talking about initially.  Amazing I know, but if you get involved in grown up discussions enough, you will eventually realize how they work.


 

[Rich46yo]

it already has though..  that's why there aren't flight engineers or navigators on airliners anymore.


 

Cuts into profits and they arent needed with fly by wire and computing systems. Ooops, sorry, I didnt read your entire post.

[Golfer]

Regarding the discussion of automation: in this day of GPS, preprogrammed flight paths, and radar, why on Earth is it possible to program the autopilot to fly into terrain?  At the very least I would expect the autopilot to refuse to CFIT.  (Or did he do a manual descent?)

He pushed the automatic crash button.

[Zimme83]

Because in the end the pilot has the last call, he will get a ground proximity warning but the plane does not take actions by itself, for obvious reasons - the pilots are still in charge.

There are several "layers" of auto pilot, the Flight managment computer is the advanced one were u set up the entire flight with approaches etc. The "regular" auto pilot reacts only on input of speed, heading, cimb rate, altitude etc. - Simply tell it were to go and the plane goes there. Auto pilot reduces the work load for the pilots, its not replacing them. It still needs the correct input to fly correctly.

[Sombra]

In this tragedy I guess the technical discussion is limited to the cockpit door mechanism. In the previous big Airbus accident, the fly-by-wire design discussion was pertinent, I think. If changes haven't been made it continues to be so. I wonder if there have been any other than the inclusion of an AOA indicator in the Airbuses as the article suggests. Would it have sufficed to restore pilots SA in a crisis like that one? They didn't seem notice the artificial horizon anyway. Supposedly pilots are better trained now, are Airbuses better designed now too?