Dresden POW survivor video interview

[Groth]

 Seriously   WTH.....are you saying HITLER did NOT consider killing all the jews in europe and east russia as part of his military objective??? You WILL post proof??? Or will YOU just shrivel up and crawl away???
 Dollars to stale donuts you have NOTHING...
 Just saying, all friendly...live long and prosper..but head
                                                       Jgroth

[Groth]

Sweet dreams... EAGL
                               JGoth

[hcrana]

Even a casual reading of the source material (q.v.) reveals that the Nazi policy of genocide was considered integral to the German war effort.  Obviously misguided, but unequivocally the case.

[Groth]

  My point...which doesn't make it pretty...
                                            JGroth

[hcrana]

At any rate, the question at hand is: what constitutes "military necessity"?  Which makes a beggar of the question: "am I my brother's keeper?"  These mincing words are not to be borne in the face of 4,000 pounds of napalm dropped on your strategic baby formula factory.

[eagl]

At any rate, the question at hand is: what constitutes "military necessity"?  Which makes a beggar of the question: "am I my brother's keeper?"  These mincing words are not to be borne in the face of 4,000 pounds of napalm dropped on your strategic baby formula factory.

And of course they're all baby formula factories.  CNN told me so

[Groth]

 Again, chillins..
 who decides military necessity....
 If it is 'eagl'.....or Hitler?
                               JGroth

[Groth]

 Dang......
         bring it or admit ....
                             or don't....it's OK
                                                   your moma said give it up, as your WRONG
                                                                                                                  JGroth

[zack1234]

Even a casual reading of the source material (q.v.) reveals that the Nazi policy of genocide was considered integral to the German war effort.  Obviously misguided, but unequivocally the case.

 

"Considered" is the key word "Considered"

Goths stating that jews could have been used properly by the Germans to defeat Stalin is very funny. Its like stating the North Koreans would be very useful to the US in fighting IS in the those backward countries

No such thing as Narzzies, they were Germans.

Two world wars caused by the same country.

Churchill was awesome.

Hitler could not get wood

At least Britain kept its honor

Speer.."five more Dresdens and the war would have finished"

We beat them twice because we are Awesome

[RotBaron]

There is no morally justifiable reason to deliberately kill non-combatants. None. It doesn't matter if you march people to the showers or burn them to death in their homes. It's senseless slaughter no matter the methods employed or how you rationalize it. Murder.

When did war and morality become synonymous? If we could we ask about Sherman's orders through Georgia.

Like it or not, civilian casualty gets attention and vacuums up support from the general population for resistance.

From ancient times to present; the surest way to win a war; destroy everything in your path. 

Who was it that said ~'bring the enemy to their knees, men seek retribution for slight grievances; great ones, they can not'?

[PR3D4TOR]

So you're saying that their continued mass murder of Jews by the nazis had a military objective?  You jumped into the middle of a conversation there buddy and totally missed what was going on, by god. 

It was predator claiming that killing the jews was a legitmate military ...

Lol, that must be the biggest straw man I've seen in a while. I'm "claiming" killing the civilian population of Germany is no more morally legitimate than killing the Jews. There are practical and logical reasons sure, but not moral. It is perhaps slightly ironic, but immeasurably tragic that the Jews and the German civilians were killed for the same practical and logical reasons. Germany had an army to feed.

Non-combatants that harbor or support combatants become legitimate targets. 

By that logic all civilians who contribute to a nation's economy becomes a "legitimate target". That would make 9/11 legitimate and just about every other terrorist attack. You use the word "legitimate" about something that has been outlawed by just about every country in the world since 1949. The Geneva Conventions of 1949 grants immunity for civilians, hospitals, and medical staff, and the 1977 Additional Protocols to the conventions state: “The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against the dangers arising from military operations.”

These laws were made for a reason, and that reason was the barbarity of WWII. So that such slaughter would never happen again. Any professional soldier who harbors views contrary to the laws of warfare are not worthy of wearing the uniform.

[PR3D4TOR]

Eagl, do these butchers look civilian to you?

[PR3D4TOR]

Do these German civilians look like "legitimate military targets" to you?

[zack1234]

What does killing people in gas chambers have to do with feeding the German army

Never read that before

I read a paper by Overy who stated that the USSR supplied more food products to the Germans and when they invaded Russia the food supply stopped

Hitler killed that German child no one else, the bombing of Germany was instigated by the German people.

They supported Hitler whole heartedly in his war aims.

Twice in a century they caused two world wars

They lost twice because they were not very good at finishing wars, it was everyone elses fault not the german people

[Scherf]

The lock is strong with this thread.

INZ.