Bf-109K4, love it or hate it?

[The Fugitive]

Maybe next time I see you on you can join my plane and I'll show you how to aim or at least set up the shots to aim the thing. It is very hard to be precise when aiming the K4 because no one really knows how exactly to aim it every time they set up for a shot. I use a 2 second burst on my shots.

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Maybe I can take you up on that offer too. After watching the film a few times I spent some time in the K4 this past weekend.

https://www.mediafire.com/?daavw4guu5d70lo

Yes I know my aim sucks   

[ISux]

yea i find i have no problem getting shots its just hitting them lol.
still its fun to use even when you die.

[bustr]

Maybe next time I see you on you can join my plane and I'll show you how to aim or at least set up the shots to aim the thing. It is very hard to be precise when aiming the K4 because no one really knows how exactly to aim it every time they set up for a shot. I use a 2 second burst on my shots.

The last AH2 update, it looks like Hitech increased the random dispersion of the MK108 closer to real life. It also has a left hand spin drift tendency which shows up on the target as a preponderance of the rounds go about 2ft left at 400, then creating the impact pattern. Between 100-200 if you watch the target while only tapping the trigger, the usual three rounds for one tap can end up almost anywhere in a growing cone of 6ft dia to 14ft dia. And by 400 almost 30ft dia.

Can anyone tell the audience what the MK108 was created by Rheinmetall-Borsig to shoot down in WW2? And why that made the low velocity of 500m\sec, drop of 12ft by 400m, and crappy dispersion of 30ft dia ok for shooting it down?

Looked like Hitech got a copy of the Rheinmetall-Borsig Datenbleatter document for the MK108 ammunition specifications. Including powders, shell construction, drive rings, round type data, ballistic data, and spin drift chart. The real round had a spin drift, a slight horizontal curve in the trajectory, to it seems in our game, the left.

Like I said earlier in this posting, fly up their six until you can smell their lunch, then shoot. The 262 makes use of the crappy dispersion by ganging four as a shotgun. A single motor mount MK108 is about like trying to use a brown bess musket as a sniper rifle at 300 yards.

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[DmonSlyr]

Maybe I can take you up on that offer too. After watching the film a few times I spent some time in the K4 this past weekend.

https://www.mediafire.com/?daavw4guu5d70lo

Yes I know my aim sucks   

The first thing I noticed was your flap usage. I think that was the biggest issue during the fight. If you would have gotten your flaps all the way down on most of your roll overs you would have got inside of him. The next thing I could see was your use of Vertical. I didn't quite see enough nose up movement to a roll over. Instead of rolling over horizontal try to nose up a bit higher, do an aileron roll, get more of your flaps out, and then loop back down.

at 3:38 - 3:50 you could have used a bit more vertical going into the first roll and then you should have got all your flaps deployed. You may have been able to get the shot. Then you go into another horizontal roll which your flaps should have already been out, and you may have gotten that shot. Instead the flaps went back to normal position and you can see how he almost got a shot on you. This is because you didnt have your flaps out and you went more horizontal in the roll instead of vertical. You have to go straight up, use aileron to position, get flaps out, cut throttle, and THEN loop over. You were going too fast.

At the 4:00 minute mark and again at 4:30, you should have completely deployed all your flaps (instead of 1 or 2 notches) and used that to roll over with a lot of rudder as you were going right. Also during the 4:30-5:00 mark, you should have used a lot more vertical immediately and snap rolled to the right (do a right vertical roll) instead of horizontally rolling to the left, you could have cut inside for a shot.

I think your biggest issue vs this fight was your flap usage, Vertical loops, and direction of the loops, If you would have gotten more flaps ( I only saw 1 or 2 notches out and used more vertical instead of horizontalyl always rolling to the left, you would have been able to cut inside his loops with a sharp right snap roll. You rolled right one time but didn't use enough flaps or rudder to get the nose around. I think you could have been a bit more aggressive performing the rolls aswell.  Also using more of a vertical loop will allow you to get a better deflection shot on the opponent.

Hopes this helps a bit, only had a few minutes to watch and write this, so I thought Id mention a couple of key points I noticed.

You got em to auger soo good on you for that!! 

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[The Fugitive]

I think I was pretty vertical at the first set of merges. We ended up in a rolling scissor. This picture was from about 310 to 340.



I was about 120 at the top of the loops. Hearing I shouldn't get slow I was afraid to add more drag dropping more flaps.

Below is about 400 to 430.



He had dove down as far as he could so I figured I wouldn't chase him down and go for a rope/spiral climb figuring I'd had a bit more speed.

This is 430 to 500.



I did get behind him an could have followed for a shot, but my 1 vs 1 was now going to be a 3 vs 1. I instead rolled out to get my nose down hoping for one more shot and pretty much followed him in to the ground.

I thought I used the vertical when I could and when I didn't thought I had a good reason. I didn't drop as much flap thinking the drag would slow me too much so as always, I only used what I thought I needed/ could get away with. See he was flying a K4 as well I didn't want to burn E too fast in the event he wasn't.

I'll see if I have any more films.

[DmonSlyr]

I think I was pretty vertical at the first set of merges. We ended up in a rolling scissor. This picture was from about 310 to 340.



I was about 120 at the top of the loops. Hearing I shouldn't get slow I was afraid to add more drag dropping more flaps.

Below is about 400 to 430.



He had dove down as far as he could so I figured I wouldn't chase him down and go for a rope/spiral climb figuring I'd had a bit more speed.

This is 430 to 500.



I did get behind him an could have followed for a shot, but my 1 vs 1 was now going to be a 3 vs 1. I instead rolled out to get my nose down hoping for one more shot and pretty much followed him in to the ground.

I thought I used the vertical when I could and when I didn't thought I had a good reason. I didn't drop as much flap thinking the drag would slow me too much so as always, I only used what I thought I needed/ could get away with. See he was flying a K4 as well I didn't want to burn E too fast in the event he wasn't.

I'll see if I have any more films.

Well here is the thing. If you are pretty sure you are about to get in a stall fight, it is sometimes good to drop flaps quickly and make a very quick strong vertical loop to cut inside them after you begin to get slow. You were playing it a bit too safe this fight after the merge. I saw many chances you could have got flaps all the way out to cut inside and go for the kill. This may have prevented you from getting ganged by not dragging the fight out too long. I like to be very aggressive in the 109s and the K has a very quick rate of acceleration, so don't worry too much about getting roped in a K . If you get flaps out quickly and roll around quickly this may save you time by getting the shot. I wasn't seeing enough vertical action before you began the roll arounds. Sometimes you have to pull way up and back and then roll around in order to gain a nose down deflection shot as you are coming down, Ie gain more alt and try to get behind them before you roll over, as they are pulling around. Notice how low the roll is. You want it to be a much higher oval shape. Don't worry about trying to be safe in the 109k during a stall fight unless you are fighting an a6m or brewster and some good spit pilots. You have to be quick and agile. Also, work on switching the direction of the rolls, the 109 does this quite well and it can allow you to gain a shot quickly. I know you don't fly the 109 that often, so I am just pointing out minor changes that will help you kill the enemy faster while not burning too much more E. Sometimes you have to get slow and cut E to get inside the opponent and a lot of times after a few roll arounds, they wont be able to rope anyway.

[The Fugitive]

Ya I never think I get aggressive enough. I think during the fight Im letting it all hang out and then I watch the film later and kick myself for being such a wuss. It could be because I know it's going to take me a number of shots to knock enough stuff off the other guy that I don't want to burn my E too quick.

Most of my fights end in a gang. Either its 3 on me.....took too long killing the guy, or I get a bunch of help for the same reason.

Will try pushing a bit harder as well as flaps out rudder kick type turns.