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Offline Grin

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Red Tails
« on: July 11, 2015, 08:37:57 AM »
Watching it now as a friend suggested I watch it and try to execute one of the maneuvers that a Pony did in the movie. I'm just short of 7 minutes in and have written a 3-page report on errors in flight dynamics and historical/physical errors, including lack of O2 masks over 10k feet and 240mph lateral slide in 109s.  :bhead

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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 08:55:08 AM »
My friend has a disorder you may want to look up.

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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 09:37:02 AM »
Watching it now as a friend suggested I watch it and try to execute one of the maneuvers that a Pony did in the movie. I'm just short of 7 minutes in and have written a 3-page report on errors in flight dynamics and historical/physical errors, including lack of O2 masks over 10k feet and 240mph lateral slide in 109s.  :bhead

Go watch John Wayne in Flying Tigers and you will get the same report.  If you are watching either movie in hopes of historical accuracy you are out of luck.  If you keep in mind that it is entertainment aimed at a different audience then aviation history junkies, you'll be fine.

I watched it with my youngest son who is African American.  He also is deaf.  He loved the Mustangs.  Even more importantly to me was when he saw the black pilots.  He walked toward the TV and signed that he and the pilot on the screen were the same.



As a little kid watching Flying Tigers I got the same reaction.  I was going to be that John Wayne pilot.  The rest of the detail didn't matter much but I sure did look for anything to read about the Tigers.  That movie didn't teach me history either or anything about P-40s.  But I sure learned about them because of it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 10:01:39 AM »
Awesome. Just awesome Guppy.

I know that is feeble and trite but I'm really at a loss for words. And I'm not being snarky or a dick.
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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 01:47:47 AM »
I get that it's for a different audience, but that audience is dumb.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 01:50:57 AM »
I get that it's for a different audience, but that audience is dumb.

So you knew all the history before you watched your first war movie?  I'm impressed :)
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 02:03:38 AM »
When red tails came out I was so eager to watch it. I went to see it the first day it came out. It sucked so much I ended up leaving half way of the movies and came back home to play aces high lol.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 02:10:23 AM »
   I love when the 109 just "flips" nose over tail, over the mustang at full speed and shoots him. I recreated that move successfully in Aces High. The only difference was I was in a Nik, and a 109 was on my 6. I knew he would over shoot, so just as he got into range I pulled up hard. he was a better shot than I thought, and he blew my tail off. My Nik flipped over just as he passed underneath me. I pulled the trigger and filled the top side of his ride with 20mm. reviewing the film, it looked exactly like that move from redtail, except for the whole "missing tail" issue  ;)
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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2015, 02:18:16 AM »
I was quick to jump on the bash the movie bandwagon.  As I said my little guy set me straight. It did the job for him.

Go watch Flying Tigers with John Wayne.  It's the same story for the most part.  Evil bad guy pilot.  Wing man who thinks he knows it all.  Bad decision gets another pilot killed.  Romance in the background.  Wingman dies in the end having learned his lesson.  Awful flying scenes if you are a rivet counter.   Funny part is I loved that movie as a kid.  I cringe at it now

Lucas was pretty clear that he was making the old Saturday afternoon matinee movie aimed at a younger crowd.  That's what Flying Tigers was back in the day.
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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2015, 02:21:07 AM »
hey why dont you do a 3 page review of what's wrong with star wars flying.  hey to warm up do a paragraph on top gun where when maverick meets viper the hard deck is 10,000 feet and yet 100% of the action is below the hard deck.



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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2015, 02:27:36 AM »
Keep in mind there are still young people that don't know that there were black men flying in WW2. My high school history teacher denied  that there were even after a classmate brought in his father's official photo album that showed him getting his wings!

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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 02:34:44 AM »
the dude takes a 30mm to the chest and his pony takes a ton of taters. yet my phony pony just disenegrates with one ping!!!! german tators need nurffed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whaaaaaaaaaa  :rofl
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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2015, 10:27:06 AM »
That's a great point of view Guppy. And that picture always makes me smile  :aok


I remember watching it for the first time at a friends house. He is very much like me in that when he is excited to show someone something he loves he is eager to see their reaction. I remember having to pretend that that was a good scene or "woah, that was cool!" even though the AH'er inside was telling me this was all wrong hahaha.

But then again, the reverse happened with Fury. I remember loving that movie and taking said friend to see it and while he did enjoy it you could tell the ending definitely was having him go "really? Yeah right..." 

Funny how that happens.  :old:

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Re: Red Tails
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 02:01:40 PM »
the dude takes a 30mm to the chest and his pony takes a ton of taters. yet my phony pony just disenegrates with one ping!!!! german tators need nurffed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whaaaaaaaaaa  :rofl

last night I ho'd a hurricane with my pony.  he blew up and I kept flying with just an oil leak.  later I got a pm asking me why would I ho a hurricane with taters.  well, I did because it makes me smile.

only reason I got hit was because I opened up at 800 and saw parts flying all over the place and started laughing and forgot to pull up so he hit me just as he blew up.


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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 05:18:10 PM »
I was fortunate enough to have actually hear a Tuskeegee Airman talk, long before this movie's conception.  There was a lot more to the Red Tails' legend that would definitely not have made a good movie viewing experience for the mainstream audience. 

Now, imagine taking an important part of history and making a movie showing countless hours of studying, practicing, campaigning, struggling against ancient prejudicial ideas to overcome bleak odds, dying, and yes, even sometimes flying in combat in a "strictly" historical detailed portrayal.   That movie wouldn't even make a good Blue Ray disc Frisbee, no matter that this is what "American Exceptionalism" was coined after.

I remember interviews including Tuskeegee Airmen pilots who did consult on the movie.  They were satisfied with the "swagger" (like that of John Wayne) that accurately portrayed their crew and pilots.  These consultants, as well our own cartoon pilots :airplane: in AH, must have had hundreds of accounts of extraordinary cockpit moments.  Now, go out there and recreate just a couple of stories with real aircraft and pilots and make it "memorable".  Otherwise, forget about putting any butts in the seats to recover any part of your investment (the real qualifier to decide if the filmmaker was successful or not).

What did you expect?  I find it hard to believe most of what I have seen on "Dogfights" but I do not question the integrity of those who lived to bring the accounts to life in oral history and recreation.  "Red Tails" did excite my imagination, and as an adult who was well aware of these men, I praise the filmmaker's efforts.   :cheers:

Guppy, you are doing a fine job raising a new generation of men.  Thank you sir for sharing that story.  It makes me wish I knew enough sign language to have been able to share that moment with him also.  :salute