Cecil killed with a bow and arrow

[Ack-Ack]

The dentist likes to lure his prey in areas where he's not supposed to kill them at.  He got busted for poaching bears in the US a few years ago.

[craz07]

whats the bigger crime taking a lion off his park and killing him. or slaughtering cows by the dozens if not hundreds or even thousands everyday in America

[Muzzy]

whats the bigger crime taking a lion off his park and killing him. or slaughtering cows by the dozens if not hundreds or even thousands everyday in America

Wow...there's so many red herrings on this thread you'd think this was a 12 hour Stalingrad scenario....

The argument "why are we worried about x when we should be worried about y." is a fallacy. It's introducing a second topic that is not relevant to the first. It assumes that because we are concerned about x we cannot possibly be concerned about y, like we can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. That's a very broad assumption to make. Also, the logical extension of that argument is that we should only be upset about more immediate or broader concerns and we should just let these smaller injustices die out. By extension, I could say "Why are you so upset that Skyrr ho'ed you when women and children are being butchered by ISIS?" We know the world and human nature don't work that way. Indignation at injustice is not a finite resource. There's plenty of it to go around. Just because more people happen to be vocal about a subject doesn't mean they're not just as concerned about other tragedies that are happening at the same time.

Yes there are far worse things going on in the world than the death of one lion, and yes we are concerned by varying degrees about what's going on...or at least I am. But that doesn't detract from the fact that this was a reprehensible act and the instigators need to be punished for it. You could argue against that statement if you wish, but the statement that we should be more concerned about other issues is an ineffective and illogical way of going about it. Moreover, if you hold to the core of this particular logical fallacy, you shouldn't even bother arguing about Cecil or even playing Aces High in the first place, but rather focus your attention on "what really matters".

[FX1]

A bit creepy? Bashing a natural human instinct is creepy to me. I still want you to come hunting with me. I know it will be one of the most memorable experience in your life. It's hard to explain but after your first kill you will understand.

Creepy to me is sitting around the cpu burning up forums and bashing other people human rights.

Let the supermarket dry up and I guarantee that hunting will make complete sense.

[IamSalem]

That's true Muzzy, they are bad comparisons.


But why is it that the death of a lion sparks peoples emotions? I'm just saying if people are going to start moral crusades on right and wrong, they might want to recheck their moral compass when it only seems to bear true for events like this.


(for the record I do hope this guy gets what he deserves, but I'm not going to go as far as wishing cancer on his family like some people.)

[bustr]

A bit creepy? Bashing a natural human instinct is creepy to me. I still want you to come hunting with me. I know it will be one of the most memorable experience in your life. It's hard to explain but after your first kill you will understand.

Creepy to me is sitting around the cpu burning up forums and bashing other people human rights.

Let the supermarket dry up and I guarantee that hunting will make complete sense.

Until the day this ever happens. The Internet makes the people you are trying to persuade to your reality the normative, and you a bitter clinging nutter. They have a universe of supporters looking for their next emotional drug fix. The chance to orgasm in another emotional Internet Mob pitch fork and torches monster hunt out weighs everything else.

There is too much money being made by African governments from guided Lion hunts combined with Lions are in healthy numbers that this will pass in another week. And the junky's will be looking for the next fake monster hunt Mob to get a fix from.

The Internet has become the ultimate cheap fake reality TV show on earth. Anyone can join for the price of internet access and a High Tech Toy.   

[Muzzy]

That's true Muzzy, they are bad comparisons.


But why is it that the death of a lion sparks peoples emotions? I'm just saying if people are going to start moral crusades on right and wrong, they might want to recheck their moral compass when it only seems to bear true for events like this.


(for the record I do hope this guy gets what he deserves, but I'm not going to go as far as wishing cancer on his family like some people.)

I would agree that current news media tends to shine a light on whatever it thinks will get a rise out of the populace. That's why so-called pundit shows and other grandstanding for the press are so effective. I would also agree that some reactions are a bit hyperbolic in this case. I think, however, that the moral compass in its rawest sense points directly and unequivocally to "very very wrong" when it comes to this incident, and the people in question should be prosecuted. That should be the beginning and end of the discussion.

[zack1234]

Using a bow and arrow.

Its creepy and everyone knows it.

What pleasure can you get from doing that?

Does he say i kill things with a bow and arrow, but i am not in danger mommy i have minders with express rifles.

[guncrasher]

A bit creepy? Bashing a natural human instinct is creepy to me. I still want you to come hunting with me. I know it will be one of the most memorable experience in your life. It's hard to explain but after your first kill you will understand.

Creepy to me is sitting around the cpu burning up forums and bashing other people human rights.

Let the supermarket dry up and I guarantee that hunting will make complete sense.

didnt know we had a human right to hunting.

semp

[WWhiskey]

didnt know we had a human right to hunting.

semp

is there a specific law you thought prohibited hunting?
 you do understand rights are not given by laws, they are inherent .
laws sometimes restrict rights, sometimes unlawfully!

[FLOOB]

That's true Muzzy, they are bad comparisons.


But why is it that the death of a lion sparks peoples emotions? I'm just saying if people are going to start moral crusades on right and wrong, they might want to recheck their moral compass when it only seems to bear true for events like this.


(for the record I do hope this guy gets what he deserves, but I'm not going to go as far as wishing cancer on his family like some people.)

I know right. How many humans were tortured, shot and maybe even eaten in Africa last week? Where was Jimmy Kimmel's tears for them? I've always felt there was something seriously disturbing about people who would rather spend their time and resources helping animals rather than people.

[FX1]

Using a bow and arrow is the highest skill level in hunting. Nothing creepy about that. It takes years just to be accurate with a bow and then a number of year to have the skill level as a hunter to position yourself for a shot. Animals are not stupid...

Shooting a lion with a bow is a death wish. Even with two guys standing behind you with a 12 ga. A lion can close 30 yards really fast.

So this guy was off his rocker and should be punished appropriate.

[mbailey]

didnt know we had a human right to hunting.

semp

I would say we do, humans have been doing it since we decided to stand upright.

[Dichotomy]

Using a bow and arrow is the highest skill level in hunting. Nothing creepy about that. It takes years just to be accurate with a bow and then a number of year to have the skill level as a hunter to position yourself for a shot. Animals are not stupid...

Shooting a lion with a bow is a death wish. Even with two guys standing behind you with a 12 ga. A lion can close 30 yards really fast.

So this guy was off his rocker and should be punished appropriate.

I personally think we should let the facts get found out and not crucify the guy in the court of public opinion.  I've heard enough differing points of view but have not heard or read any incontrovertible piece of evidence that proves anything one way or another.  Maybe he did know he was doing something wrong and maybe he didn't but the guy is getting his life ripped totally apart when someone that murders someone else gets the benefit of a doubt, a trial, and appeals out the ying yang, until they are exhausted and the short attention span of the human race forgets about them. 

My personal opinion is if, in regards to animals, if you don't intend to eat what you hunt don't hunt it. 

I do my hunting for food down the street at the worst Wal Mart in the US. 

 

[Rich46yo]

Yaknow in Africa they consider all these American Disney cartoon lovers a bunch of weirdo's. Sport hunting is big business in Africa and not only bring in considerable income thru jobs but also is an important source of food. By Law game animals, the eatable ones, have to be used and consumed. This is of course in South Africa, about the only lawful country in Africa. In mad Bob's Zimbabwe anything goes. I'd bet a sizable portion of the money paid to whack Cecil is in some official's Swiss Bank account now.

Thing is there is only so much habitat, mostly paid for by Hunting, and only so many animals can live on it. So seasons and limits are allocated to keep the populations strong while bringing in much revenue to the locals who NEED jobs. Ive been there several times, the locals are calling all you Cecil lovers a bunch of dimwits right now "who in Hell would name a Lion"?

Of course poaching is a crime and the offenders have to pay. But this is a dirt poor country, since Mugabe stole it, and many if not most of its children go to bed hungry since its also ravaged by AIDs and so many dont even have parents. Do YOU think they are worried about Cecil or do YOU think they are worried about where their next meal comes from? First off they'd think only a moron would name a Lion anyways.

A male Lion lives about 15 years in the wild. In the last few years of its life it lives alone cause a younger, stronger Lion has kicked its butt and bit its package off so it cant reproduce anymore. Then the new Lion kills off the old Lions babies so's the Lionesses go into Heat again quickly. Its these old Lions in the end of its time that permits are issued for and for big money. The kind of money that ensures Africa's wildlife lives to see another day. Same thing for Elephants.

The average sport hunter spends over 3 times the money into the economy then the average eco-tourist does.