The minimum wage machine

[PR3D4TOR]

I tend to overlook personal attacks and skip to the important issues. How old are you FBKampfer?

[Skyyr]

See Rule #14

[WWhiskey]

I started working when I was 7 years old, howing weeds in my dads fields, I made 50 cents an hour, worked ten hours a day five days a week and 7 hours every Saturday, during the summer!
My first raise was to 80 cents an hour when I could drive a tractor the next year,
 I was 12 before I found out anything about minimum wage, I filled in for a flagman on a Big A spreader and got $3.25 an hour for a week, 60 hours! Biggest check I'd ever seen. They loved me too, hard worker they said!
But there were plenty of people that would do that job for that price, I got lucky.
I farmed for my family, as well as others till I was 18, made anywhere from $4.50 an hour to $7.00.  Never once made minimum wage again thanks to the experience I had when I was young. Kids today don't get that, minimum Wage screws that up by bringing older adults into the entry level job market, a market that was never meant to support a family, a job that can be replaced with automation!  Just like the flagman has been replaced by tracking beacons and eventually GPS, I flagged lots of spray planes to, it was fun and we did it for little money, but it was more money than we had before, and we were kids! We didn't need it, it was gravy!

[FBKampfer]

I tend to overlook personal attacks and skip to the important issues. How old are you FBKampfer?

I tend to overlook personal attacks and skip to the important issues. How old are you FBKampfer?

It was not meant to be a a personal attack, it was meant to try and give you some perspective on your own thinking and rationalizations. But you can only lead a horse to water, it would seem.

And I am 21.

[PR3D4TOR]

It was not meant to be a a personal attack, it was meant to try and give you some perspective on your own thinking and rationalizations. But you can only lead a horse to water, it would seem.

And I am 21.

Ok, I will respond to your previous post. I do not consider people a "commodity" to be bartered or sold. They're free people, not slaves. However, as free people they can learn a trade and work for themselves, or they can cooperate with other free people for mutual benefit. And that is as far as it goes. No one can demand that you work for them. No one can demand that you provide work for someone else.

That there would be no "non-private infrastructure" is and has never been a problem. Most roads in America outside the big cities are private roads, and there are even many privately owned highways and some 2,200 privately owned highway bridges. There are private sewage companies and water works. Private energy companies. Private security companies. Private fire fighting companies. Most of the public services that are funded by tax money are actually performed by private companies on contract with the state/feds.

Saying that something wouldn't exist if the government didn't provide it is just nonsensical. No government ever invented or created anything. People did.

And (hopefully) you'll be a retired old gentleman by the time my generation dies off. I'm 20 years older than you.

[PR3D4TOR]

I paid for my education by driving a cab in the evenings and weekends. I started my business literally out of my mom's basement. For the first few years I was still driving the cab to get by.

If you want any sort of advice it is this: Find out what you're good at (not what you want to do, but what you actually have an aptitude for), learn and practice and work until you're great at it (or at least useful).

[FBKampfer]

See Rule #14

[FBKampfer]

Ok, I will respond to your previous post. I do not consider people a "commodity" to be bartered or sold. They're free people, not slaves. However, as free people they can learn a trade and work for themselves, or they can cooperate with other free people for mutual benefit. And that is as far as it goes. No one can demand that you work for them. No one can demand that you provide work for someone else.

This is not what I asked. Should their time be monetized and commoditized? And I'm not asking from a "does that system of work estimation function adequately". Setting aside all thoughts of economic functions, can you, in 10 minutes of quiet thought, come up with any reasons why monetization of time could be harmful, or detrimental, or simply shouldn't be done?

That there would be no "non-private infrastructure" is and has never been a problem. Most roads in America outside the big cities are private roads, and there are even many privately owned highways and some 2,200 privately owned highway bridges. There are private sewage companies and water works. Private energy companies. Private security companies. Private fire fighting companies. Most of the public services that are funded by tax money are actually performed by private companies on contract with the state/feds.

Saying that something wouldn't exist if the government didn't provide it is just nonsensical. No government ever invented or created anything. People did.

Anything bought, commissioned, or payed for by the government would naturally be paid for by taxes. Use of anything paid for by taxpayers, if you yourself don't wish to pay taxes, is hypocritical. My entire point is that, while you're free to think that you should solely own ever dime, nickle, and penny you make, you often derive greater benefit working for the collective whole than for yourself alone.

And (hopefully) you'll be a retired old gentleman by the time my generation dies off. I'm 20 years older than you.

My mistake. I had thought you were around 60. But in any case, my point was that the young are out numbering the old. We'll take the country where we want to see it go, protestations be dammed.

[PR3D4TOR]

See Rule #14

[zack1234]

Also, who gives a rat's arse about economic growth if the people don't see any benefit from it? You keep espousing the virtues of free enterprise and unbridled capitalism, and how we're all stupid for looking at data that contradicts you, but you have yet to make a single coherent argument as to why the common man would want it.

Are you insane?

Burn the witch

Predator is a yank, he will bring up his constipated rights, if you dont agree you are a North Korean or a commie

[PR3D4TOR]

This is not what I asked. Should their time be monetized and commoditized? And I'm not asking from a "does that system of work estimation function adequately". Setting aside all thoughts of economic functions, can you, in 10 minutes of quiet thought, come up with any reasons why monetization of time could be harmful, or detrimental, or simply shouldn't be done?

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding in your question. I'm not paying my employees (or my partner companies) for their time. I'm paying them for their work. And how much work they get done within business hours. I can't sell time.

Anything bought, commissioned, or payed for by the government would naturally be paid for by taxes. Use of anything paid for by taxpayers, if you yourself don't wish to pay taxes, is hypocritical. My entire point is that, while you're free to think that you should solely own ever dime, nickle, and penny you make, you often derive greater benefit working for the collective whole than for yourself alone.

Every time I use a "public service" I feel dirty and robbed at the same time.

My mistake. I had thought you were around 60. But in any case, my point was that the young are out numbering the old. We'll take the country where we want to see it go, protestations be dammed.

Sure and you will reap the benefits or suffer the consequences. Choose wisely.

[FBKampfer]

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding in your question. I'm not paying my employees (or my partner companies) for their time. I'm paying them for their work. And how much work they get done within business hours. I can't sell time.


Every time I use a "public service" I feel dirty and robbed at the same time

Of course you're paying them for their time. That is, literally, what you are doing.

[Zoney]

Of course you're paying them for their time. That is, literally, what you are doing.

Ridiculous.  You aren't being paid to be there, you are being paid to produce.  What you produce determines your value and your value determines how much you get paid.  An idiot flipping burgers is not worth the same as a brain surgeon.

[PR3D4TOR]

Of course you're paying them for their time. That is, literally, what you are doing.

No. I'm paying them to do work. If they just sat in their offices not working I wouldn't pay them anything. I would fire them. Regardless of how many hours they spent "at work."

[Zoney]

What do you do for a living Kampfer?