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Offline Zoney

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #390 on: October 13, 2015, 02:57:33 PM »
Is it possible to ignore a topic?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, can you ignore a topic if you are simply not interested in seeing it?
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #391 on: October 13, 2015, 03:46:51 PM »
Is it possible to ignore a topic?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, can you ignore a topic if you are simply not interested in seeing it?

Not in the way you are thinking.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #393 on: October 13, 2015, 04:21:37 PM »
Is it possible to ignore a topic?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, can you ignore a topic if you are simply not interested in seeing it?

Well you can ignore with extreme prejudice like they do in the movies, but you'll have to establish plausible deniability first. That said, at this point I am inclined to think that's the way we should go.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #394 on: October 13, 2015, 04:22:00 PM »
The US has 94 million adults of working age out of the work force and effectively on limited fixed incomes. Or no purchasing power.

The population of the US is 320 million. In 2004 the ratio of workers to population was 71%. In 2013 it was back up to 63% which is a canard. The 94 million adults were not included from 2004 who could not find employment and gave up between 2007 and today. If they were included in the unemployment statistics today, we would be at almost 30% unemployment. We are even creating a generation of the never even got employed at this rate. The EU has the same problem. China doesn't because they artificially rig their outcomes which we and the EU have to take in the shorts and smile. We cannot compete with their prices, err money, mostly because we borrow their money to pay for their goods and our welfare states. It would take a madman to challenge this rather than wait for China to achieve whatever the end game is that empowers them.

WW2 solved this problem last time for the US and Europe during the Roosevelt imperial dynasty. He kept the US in the depression long after it could have naturally corrected itself. If he had not tried to control social justice outcomes for the very workers he was championing into the dirt. Or the policies he was putting in place to insure his party stayed in rule for the next century. Sounds familiar doesn't it.....

Back then we didn't have external competitive markets to dictate cost and price to our internal markets. The USA was the market that dictated to the world. The truth of this came after the war and the dramatic rise of the American middle class. Post WW2 we were China with better ethics.

Today, we and the EU are almost failed banana republics with mad men at the helm. And those running these banana republics are acting the part to the extreme. So global warming, running out of Oil, giant purple people eaters from Mars. What ever it takes so no one looks behind the curtain. If you are unwilling to, or, can't because the madmen and their enablers created laws to make it a crime to look behind the curtain. You will not be able to fix the problem until after the problem kills your country.

Technology has made it possible for us to not learn from any of our recent mistakes because we are following technology at such a high speed that we never have time to catch up with ourselves and reflect. Technology and the social structures evolving out of it's influences allows us to hide from ourselves and spawn new service industries to support and enable human weakness for money and political gain. Global warming, political correctness, racism, class envy, social justice, homophobia, anti religious fervor, the whole evolution of the technology revolution and our ever growing cult of everything in the world is wrong and I'm a victim. This is a very powerful emotional virus using technology at the speed of light as it's vector of contagion. The world wide phenomenon of extreme irrationalism to defend global warming or climate change or the end of Oil reserves showcases this virus and our relationship to technology.

The industrial revolution was slower so our mistakes were obvious while we still had time to reflect on ourselves. It was much more obvious that you were hiding in a bottle versus hiding in the virtual sphere seeking validation that we are victims of everything. And we had a strong public sentiment that life is full of those bad things but, no you are not a victim other than of yourself. Yet, recently, we had a social messiah elected twice because of being able to leverage technology to validate that self worship of victimhood.

So the next great global catastrophe is not something out there, it is inside of us and our dysfunctional relationship with technology. If we do not get control of that, the industrial revolution was too slow to allow us to destroy the world. And we were still too strong morally to drop anymore nukes. Now we make fun of the pope and consider Iran a victim.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #395 on: October 13, 2015, 04:34:18 PM »
I cant wait for GW,I wont have to live in an igloo for 6 months and my wife always wanted water front property! :devil



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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #396 on: October 13, 2015, 05:03:17 PM »
Actually, it is a social science:

http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Competitive_markets/What_is_economics.html
https://www.press.umich.edu/17159/economics_as_a_social_science
http://www.pragcap.com/economics-is-a-social-science-not-a-natural-science/
http://www.digitaleconomist.org/economics.html

Doh! He got me!  I guess they consider it theoretical because you cannot predict the future outcomes, although if you apply the correct fundamentals to economics, you achieve stable growth and sustainability in markets. 

Now, how about disproving me on the rest of my thesis with articles and studies?

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #397 on: October 13, 2015, 06:07:26 PM »
Sounds like he has read Friedrich Hayek and is voicing his interpretation as you are yours. Economics is almost quantifiable mathematically until you introduce humans to the equation. Then you have to quantify humans and make some attempt to build a larger model of both. And suddenly you get politics in it's broader definition.

Maybe it's a chicken or the egg proposition. But, humans effect and change economics for absurd reasons as strongly as economics effects and changes absurd humans. You need to discover where in that cycle things are, not try to argue it doesn't exist because of how messy it is.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #398 on: October 13, 2015, 06:33:57 PM »
Economics 101:  If I had $1 for every word in Bustr's posts I'd be rich.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #399 on: October 13, 2015, 06:55:42 PM »
Economics 101:  If I had $1 for every word in Bustr's posts I'd be rich.

I learned everything I know from you.

Basic Con 101: Hey you were supposed to get a dollar for every word I wrote and split it with me.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #400 on: October 13, 2015, 07:32:22 PM »
Is it possible to ignore a topic?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, can you ignore a topic if you are simply not interested in seeing it?

try gaining a little more alt.  :old:

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #401 on: October 13, 2015, 07:35:03 PM »
Doh! He got me!  I guess they consider it theoretical because you cannot predict the future outcomes, although if you apply the correct fundamentals to economics, you achieve stable growth and sustainability in markets. 

Now, how about disproving me on the rest of my thesis with articles and studies?

maybe you just reread your own textbooks, dont skip over the first chapter this time.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #402 on: October 13, 2015, 07:57:50 PM »
No, it is absolutely not a social science. Social science deals with thoughts and ideologies of PEOPLE.

Economics deals with supply and demand through monitary formulas and mathematics. Finance plays a huge part in economics, it explains debt and the reason for it. It explains how people are able to purchase large expensive houses and cars. It explains how bonds and stocks work. If people do not have the funds to finance a car or a home mortgage, this affects the economy negatively (2009). When you do one thing, it effects the other. If you give people loans they do not have the means to pay back, it effects the economy (watch what happens in the next 5 years with Student Loans).
 
Economics is a very important concept that either gives countries sustainability, growth, prosperity and so on, or it gives greedy government officials and greedy CEOs way more money than they should be making instead of allocating the funds back to their workforce or society. If these become lopsided, you get economies like China or Greece, where people work like slaves and have little to show for it because the Gment takes most of their earnings in taxes while not allocating it effectively. This is why some socialist countries are wealthy and some are poor. If large money holders are not responsible in allocating the money to a certain standard, it has a huge effect on the spending power of their countries.  And like natcigg said, if you have a society full of people who wish they could be customers, but cant, even when working full time, the business fails and intern the market follows them.

Those socialist ideas can be good on paper, the problem is and always has been the people.  Leaders get greedy and workers get lazy.  :old:

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #403 on: October 13, 2015, 09:46:54 PM »
Is it possible to ignore a topic?

I'm not trying to be mean, seriously, can you ignore a topic if you are simply not interested in seeing it?

Yup. You simply don't click on its link the same way you don't tune  into a TV channel that is running a show you arent interested in
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #404 on: October 14, 2015, 10:30:28 AM »
Doh! He got me!  I guess they consider it theoretical because you cannot predict the future outcomes, although if you apply the correct fundamentals to economics, you achieve stable growth and sustainability in markets. 

Now, how about disproving me on the rest of my thesis with articles and studies?

If you're referring to me I didn't "get you", I just corrected a common misconception. It doesn't invalidate your opinion. <S>