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Offline FESS67

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ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« on: October 09, 2015, 09:43:05 AM »
ENY - A great concept.  I understand the intent and I agree with it.

HOWEVER.....it causes people to leave the game because they cannot fly the plane they want.  Anyone who thinks ENY is not an issue, spend some time logged in when ENY is in full force.....just log in and look at the chat buffer.


I do not know the answer.  My personal preference is no ENY ever. 

I was advised by another player tonight that I should embrace EW and MW planes and ENY would not be an issue.  I understand and accept the approach.....BUT...I want to fly a P51.  It really is a simple as that.  When you take that away from me I log off.  Is it that hard to understand??????

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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2015, 09:51:26 AM »
ENY might be ok if chesspiece loyalty wasn't the single largest driving force behind 95% of the playerbase and people could switch for numbers on a regular basis.

However that's not the case.  I don't think it helps either.  Being outnumbered 4:1 by 20+ ENY planes is not materially different from being outnumbered 4:1 by 5 ENY planes.

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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2015, 10:02:02 AM »
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2015, 10:42:56 AM »
ENY might be ok if chesspiece loyalty wasn't the single largest driving force behind 95% of the playerbase and people could switch for numbers on a regular basis.

However that's not the case.  I don't think it helps either.  Being outnumbered 4:1 by 20+ ENY planes is not materially different from being outnumbered 4:1 by 5 ENY planes.

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With that said without ENY i may never have flown German buffs in LW ;)
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2015, 10:44:28 AM »
eny wouldnt be a problem if the people who claim they always switch to the low number side would actually switch to the low number side.


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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2015, 10:57:55 AM »
ENY wouldn't be a problem if people didn't insist on flying their late war planes. There are plenty of planes that can be flown successfully as alternates, but that might mean ACMs and something other than head-on shots were required...
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2015, 11:06:57 AM »
eny wouldnt be a problem if the people who claim they always switch to the low number side would actually switch to the low number side.

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Except that that switching sides may a) not be possible because of the 6-hour rule (especially if a group of players switched a few hours earlier for ENY issues) or b) result in little to no action, depending on the numbers and players at the different fronts.
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2015, 11:07:28 AM »
ENY wouldn't be a problem if people didn't insist on flying their late war planes.

Why does this argument always get hauled out?  Sure, most people if they applied themselves could be 95% effective in a 20-30ENY plane as compared to the late war stuff, but so what?

If people only want to fly the low ENY stuff, why not?  Perk rides are a different story, but the unperked late war stuff just doesn't give that much meaningful advantage over the higher ENY stuff.

Honestly, when was the last time anybody heard over country channel something to the effect of, "Oh thank goodness, ENY is keeping them out of the late war planes."  I can't recall ever seeing it happen since I've been here.  All I ever hear about when numbers are skewed is how the high number side's hording.  It just doesn't have a meaningful effect.

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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2015, 11:36:13 AM »
I have little sympathy for the "I can't fly my plane because of ENY" crowd. It shows an unwillingness to fly an aircraft that does not have the safety net of speed  and it show they lack the fortitude to endure fighting at a disadvantage.

If ENY make you want to log off, go ahead. All who remain are better off.
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2015, 11:41:30 AM »
Honestly, when was the last time anybody heard over country channel something to the effect of, "Oh thank goodness, ENY is keeping them out of the late war planes."  I can't recall ever seeing it happen since I've been here.


Because people tend to take notice of ENY (and any other inconvenience) only when it hit's them (hangar popup).
That's why you also read things like "they have never ENY" or "they never fight each other / we always get ganged" and so on...
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 11:41:45 AM »
How would you go about taking the advantage away from the chess piece which has numerical superiority?



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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2015, 11:45:28 AM »
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eny wouldnt be a problem if the people who claim they always switch to the low number side would actually switch to the low number side.


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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2015, 11:47:30 AM »
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I was advised by another player tonight that I should embrace EW and MW planes and ENY would not be an issue.  I understand and accept the approach.....BUT...I want to fly a P51.  It really is a simple as that.  When you take that away from me I log off.  Is it that hard to understand??????

You may well understand the approach, but if you still logoff when your P-51 is taken away, it doesn't really sound like you are accepting it. 

« Last Edit: October 09, 2015, 11:49:12 AM by oboe »

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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2015, 11:50:46 AM »
Why does this argument always get hauled out?  Sure, most people if they applied themselves could be 95% effective in a 20-30ENY plane as compared to the late war stuff, but so what?

If people only want to fly the low ENY stuff, why not?  Perk rides are a different story, but the unperked late war stuff just doesn't give that much meaningful advantage over the higher ENY stuff.

Honestly, when was the last time anybody heard over country channel something to the effect of, "Oh thank goodness, ENY is keeping them out of the late war planes."  I can't recall ever seeing it happen since I've been here.  All I ever hear about when numbers are skewed is how the high number side's hording.  It just doesn't have a meaningful effect.

Wiley.

If it makes you feel any better the eny would improve if more "late war or nothing" folks would log out. It would help half as much as if you change sides. You can take your sweetie out to a movie or get acquainted with your kids and know you've helped your friends get cheaper late war rides.
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Re: ENY - and why it is bad for the game
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2015, 11:51:10 AM »
How would you go about taking the advantage away from the chess piece which has numerical superiority?
I would...

Rally 10 players for an ammo strat run.  Drop it below 50% and use a heavy fighter/light fighter escort. On the return trip id have the buffs with ords left and jabos porking the front. 1hr tops high risk mission to neuter attacks.


Or go to AAA by myself drop it below 15% and let others setup a vulch fest  :x
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